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Post by Jeff Purse on Aug 25, 2016 17:34:01 GMT -5
Like I said...Lilith=dumb
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Post by "Ace Reporter" Scoops Callahan on Aug 25, 2016 17:37:42 GMT -5
Legends are over: Here's the thing..legends in a fed will always be way fucking over. So nobody no sells Obi in an IT thread? That doesn't mean shit. I guarantee you everyone with a brain respects the hell out of that guy (myself included). Guys like Obi, Digger, Purse, Corey, Odin, Price, etc. earned that legend status and that's something that can't be taken away from them ever. Aww, you da best Specicle. |
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Post by Stuart Slane on Aug 25, 2016 17:45:03 GMT -5
Legends are over: Here's the thing..legends in a fed will always be way fucking over. So nobody no sells Obi in an IT thread? That doesn't mean shit. I guarantee you everyone with a brain respects the hell out of that guy (myself included). Guys like Obi, Digger, Purse, Corey, Odin, Price, etc. earned that legend status and that's something that can't be taken away from them ever. Aww, you da best Specicle. I'm sure he's talking about Eric. wokka wokka |
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Post by "Ace Reporter" Scoops Callahan on Aug 25, 2016 17:46:40 GMT -5
Aww, you da best Specicle. I'm sure he's talking about Eric. wokka wokka Love you too, Slaney. |
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Post by Corey Black on Aug 25, 2016 18:19:08 GMT -5
Goddamnit Price.
Banned.
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Post by Odin Balfore on Aug 25, 2016 18:31:47 GMT -5
TL;DR. Frankly, CDs post isnt up for discussion and IT HAS been an ongoing issue.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Aug 25, 2016 18:52:33 GMT -5
I think we all agree we need to help each other out.
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Post by Crazy J zt on Aug 25, 2016 20:12:10 GMT -5
I think the overall message is good but in reading what i read it kind of comes off as you need to fear the WCF "elite" or promote them more... but that is just how I took it.
Legends are legends but I have seen in real fake wrestling where the legend loses i mean honestly Hulk Hogan was the man if he tried to wrestle today would people still fear him... the answer is no. so after 20 years of being a roleplayer and someone who does creative writing (even though my spelling sucks and grammar lol)... the fact is it should not be just the legends that get respected that way.
I am a heel my character talks shit and paints his face and oh yeah he is fucking crazy... So in my first 4 matches I have shown how Crazy he is is... He has a manikin/doll that he thinks is alive and yes now he is engaged to it... He went home and visited his dead parents and he believes they are still alive and talks to them and then he dug up his mothers grave because that is where his mothers ring is. He is a member of Zero Tolerance a stable that has shut down many feds and has owned titles. we have an impressive start and what i get from about everyone other then Gemini is that I am a jobber and i am still trying to find my way... oh and that i am an ICP wanna be... Now i am ok with it but no one really has played off how Crazy my character is shouldn't people fear facing me based on how crazy I am or atleast respect my character the same way
Some one talked about stories.... ZT is always telling stories and has started moving story lines.. Hell my internet post last week went with my roleplay and they both introduced more about my character. but each week we are just the jobers who pain their face... I understand some people have held 15 titles but that also means they have lost 15 titles... I take pride in my writing and last week i put up 13k worth of story lines and took a loss and i am ok with it... but it moved the story line. I am very happy with the WCF and i like this place but if Crazy J has to show respect to wrestlers that have accomplished as much in their day as writing as me and its a one way street then what is the point of roleplayng then?
Maybe we should have a section where people can see a list of current story lines... I try to read other peoples stuff but i have already faced people who never even read my roleplay and it showed by their comments. I am not bitching i am just really trying to understand this better.
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Post by Gemini Battle on Aug 25, 2016 20:46:09 GMT -5
I think the overall message is good but in reading what i read it kind of comes off as you need to fear the WCF "elite" or promote them more... but that is just how I took it. Legends are legends but I have seen in real fake wrestling where the legend loses i mean honestly Hulk Hogan was the man if he tried to wrestle today would people still fear him... the answer is no. so after 20 years of being a roleplayer and someone who does creative writing (even though my spelling sucks and grammar lol)... the fact is it should not be just the legends that get respected that way. I am a heel my character talks shit and paints his face and oh yeah he is fucking crazy... So in my first 4 matches I have shown how Crazy he is is... He has a manikin/doll that he thinks is alive and yes now he is engaged to it... He went home and visited his dead parents and he believes they are still alive and talks to them and then he dug up his mothers grave because that is where his mothers ring is. He is a member of Zero Tolerance a stable that has shut down many feds and has owned titles. we have an impressive start and what i get from about everyone other then Gemini is that I am a jobber and i am still trying to find my way... oh and that i am an ICP wanna be... Now i am ok with it but no one really has played off how Crazy my character is shouldn't people fear facing me based on how crazy I am or atleast respect my character the same way Some one talked about stories.... ZT is always telling stories and has started moving story lines.. Hell my internet post last week went with my roleplay and they both introduced more about my character. but each week we are just the jobers who pain their face... I understand some people have held 15 titles but that also means they have lost 15 titles... I take pride in my writing and last week i put up 13k worth of story lines and took a loss and i am ok with it... but it moved the story line. I am very happy with the WCF and i like this place but if Crazy J has to show respect to wrestlers that have accomplished as much in their day as writing as me and its a one way street then what is the point of roleplayng then? Maybe we should have a section where people can see a list of current story lines... I try to read other peoples stuff but i have already faced people who never even read my roleplay and it showed by their comments. I am not bitching i am just really trying to understand this better. A few things... If hogan came back and did the point of doom (not to be confused with the finger poke of doom) the roster would still cower. They just did with sting like 8 months ago. That being said the 'legends' here aren't saying to fear them all. They're saying to fear oblivion because he's a serial killer. And they're saying to respect their accomplishments in this fed because just like all thenindy darlings that ruled the independents, their past doesn't matter, all that matters is what they do in the wwe. Also My character has a unique past with yours that can't be replicated. You can't expect people who have no idea what your characters past is to sell it the way my character would. My character has the same fed as a past as your character but if I was using a different character I wouldn't have sold it yet either. Having your character sold in a fed needs to be earned. I would say that in 4 weeks Zero Tolerance has earned the right to have their gimmick sold, and I think I speak for the brotherhood instead because we PMed each other a lot and said what a big deal it would be if we won... but so many people come in and leave within a month that you don't want your character to look foolish by selling for a new guy then they bail out. Selling the people's gimmicks is what's gonna make your shoot and your role plays not only relevant but just better in general. Instead of no selling Corey black and saying he's over the hill you should sell the fact that he has two personalities and creepin death is always in there. If he embraces it he wins if he doesn't then he will lose. Who is going to come out? (Bad quick example). Zmac is a zombie. And is immortal. In my US role plays I sold the shit outta that angle. He's not human and he's immortal but he's got a coke problem (it may not be a problem for him) but the more you know and understand about your opponents the better. But there's only so much you can say generically about people without selling their angles. Even bates, whose character is completely based off of reality, sold the Jay Omega character by acknowledging the fact that he was a space explorer but explained it to himself by saying that he thinks he has a mental disability. So if crazy j is too insane to be afraid of oblivion he shouldn't ignore the fact that he's murdered dozens of people and would do it again. He and I ran an awesome angle and it ended up that the only way Gemini could get a one up was to steal his 'souvieners' from his conquests. Gemini didn't 'fear' him Per se but he understood him. I guess in conclusion there are different ways of selling. It doesn't mean making your character look week, it's making him understand what he's up against. No selling a gimmick makes your character look dumb, especially in a fed with a 15 +year history and some people being here for a majority of that. A Feds dogma is just as important as your own character's. |
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Post by Gemini Battle on Aug 25, 2016 20:47:10 GMT -5
Oh yea, we used to have a thread where people could keep their stories up to date but it wasn't being updated to we nixed it.
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Post by Crazy J zt on Aug 25, 2016 21:12:21 GMT -5
Gemini i respect what you say and i know you roleplayed at a fed i ran many moons ago... I am not saying people need to push me and worship me i am new i get it... but atleast take the time to look at my character and maybe even read a part of my roleplay to see that i am not just violent J from ICP because i paint my face and my name is Crazy J. so far one person went as far as to talk about all the murder around me and i have had zero deaths in my roleplay. so if i have to learn a legend story in 4 weeks they can atleast learn one thing about my character that's all i am trying to say... for example we talked alot of shit about the brother hood but we took the time to learn who their character were... Lester was preaching so he became puzzle jesus. Bishop is someone who want to lead people and wants power so I decided that someone who wanted to lead so much infront of the camera was probably being dominated at home. so sadly he became the cock caged cockold man.
so if people come and go a lot and trust me i get it... but I would think more people would stay if people learned their story. I dont want people to kiss my ass and I wont kiss ass... what i am saying is if i am facing someone and they dont care to learn my history why should I help push their character... and i get it that he is a monster and he kills people but J might think its just a movie and never really believe he has done it... but if i have to address his past then he should address mine... I have given alot of my story anyone facing me right now can take my 4 weeks of roleplays and they can see a story and they can figure out alot about my character but at some point i am going to grow tired of defending my self as not being a jober and the whole icp thing... I am just trying to say that we all should be treated the same a legend or someone who has never won... we all put effort in and i will gladly help anyone to learn more about who Crazy J is...
I am not arguing with you or anyone i am just saying as someone new to this place and reading this list of post I could see where someone might say fuck it and leave after reading this list of legends wanting their characters pushed because they earned it...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 21:30:00 GMT -5
I think the overall message is good but in reading what i read it kind of comes off as you need to fear the WCF "elite" or promote them more... but that is just how I took it. Legends are legends but I have seen in real fake wrestling where the legend loses i mean honestly Hulk Hogan was the man if he tried to wrestle today would people still fear him... the answer is no. so after 20 years of being a roleplayer and someone who does creative writing (even though my spelling sucks and grammar lol)... the fact is it should not be just the legends that get respected that way. I am a heel my character talks shit and paints his face and oh yeah he is fucking crazy... So in my first 4 matches I have shown how Crazy he is is... He has a manikin/doll that he thinks is alive and yes now he is engaged to it... He went home and visited his dead parents and he believes they are still alive and talks to them and then he dug up his mothers grave because that is where his mothers ring is. He is a member of Zero Tolerance a stable that has shut down many feds and has owned titles. we have an impressive start and what i get from about everyone other then Gemini is that I am a jobber and i am still trying to find my way... oh and that i am an ICP wanna be... Now i am ok with it but no one really has played off how Crazy my character is shouldn't people fear facing me based on how crazy I am or atleast respect my character the same way Some one talked about stories.... ZT is always telling stories and has started moving story lines.. Hell my internet post last week went with my roleplay and they both introduced more about my character. but each week we are just the jobers who pain their face... I understand some people have held 15 titles but that also means they have lost 15 titles... I take pride in my writing and last week i put up 13k worth of story lines and took a loss and i am ok with it... but it moved the story line. I am very happy with the WCF and i like this place but if Crazy J has to show respect to wrestlers that have accomplished as much in their day as writing as me and its a one way street then what is the point of roleplayng then? Maybe we should have a section where people can see a list of current story lines... I try to read other peoples stuff but i have already faced people who never even read my roleplay and it showed by their comments. I am not bitching i am just really trying to understand this better. A few things... If hogan came back and did the point of doom (not to be confused with the finger poke of doom) the roster would still cower. They just did with sting like 8 months ago. That being said the 'legends' here aren't saying to fear them all. They're saying to fear oblivion because he's a serial killer. And they're saying to respect their accomplishments in this fed because just like all thenindy darlings that ruled the independents, their past doesn't matter, all that matters is what they do in the wwe. Also My character has a unique past with yours that can't be replicated. You can't expect people who have no idea what your characters past is to sell it the way my character would. My character has the same fed as a past as your character but if I was using a different character I wouldn't have sold it yet either. Having your character sold in a fed needs to be earned. I would say that in 4 weeks Zero Tolerance has earned the right to have their gimmick sold, and I think I speak for the brotherhood instead because we PMed each other a lot and said what a big deal it would be if we won... but so many people come in and leave within a month that you don't want your character to look foolish by selling for a new guy then they bail out. Selling the people's gimmicks is what's gonna make your shoot and your role plays not only relevant but just better in general. Instead of no selling Corey black and saying he's over the hill you should sell the fact that he has two personalities and creepin death is always in there. If he embraces it he wins if he doesn't then he will lose. Who is going to come out? (Bad quick example). Zmac is a zombie. And is immortal. In my US role plays I sold the shit outta that angle. He's not human and he's immortal but he's got a coke problem (it may not be a problem for him) but the more you know and understand about your opponents the better. But there's only so much you can say generically about people without selling their angles. Even bates, whose character is completely based off of reality, sold the Jay Omega character by acknowledging the fact that he was a space explorer but explained it to himself by saying that he thinks he has a mental disability. So if crazy j is too insane to be afraid of oblivion he shouldn't ignore the fact that he's murdered dozens of people and would do it again. He and I ran an awesome angle and it ended up that the only way Gemini could get a one up was to steal his 'souvieners' from his conquests. Gemini didn't 'fear' him Per se but he understood him. I guess in conclusion there are different ways of selling. It doesn't mean making your character look week, it's making him understand what he's up against. No selling a gimmick makes your character look dumb, especially in a fed with a 15 +year history and some people being here for a majority of that. A Feds dogma is just as important as your own character's. For what its worth, here's my two cents..first off, my characer owns a 1-0 record against Oblivion. Granted he was in the midst of a face turn at the time, and I think it may have shocked a few people that I out rped him but shit he tanked. What do you do when a "legend" due to some kind of irl situation cannot put out an rp of their usual caliber? Do you give them the win based on momentum or their past? Do you do a bs finish where the "legend"loses due to a feud or interference? Therein lies the rub. Seth decided to give me a clean win over Oblivion, who many thought was a lock for the Deathmatch tournament. Storyline wise, legacy wise, I didn't belong there. I did the best I could but god damn if I wasn't out rped in every match. AND THAT'S OKAY. Point being, I would have understood if Obi won, even if he mailed it in. That's the game folks. And even if I had out rped the SHIT out of Corry and Odin and Mikey, I would still probably lose. Why? Because I was @@@, a newbie. The tourney was written well because even though I lost, I still made a helluva showing that set the table for future success. Hell, I've written matches where I got pinned to further storyline. On the totem pole of my life, efedding is pretty close to the ground. But I love the creativity and imagination of all of the writers and this is thoroughly enjoyable. I know I need to pay my dues, and I rp every week without fail in order to do so. Does my record reflect my efforts? Hell no. But it's not about that. It's about building a charactet, developing a story, and enjoying what I do. I have big plans for The Magnificent Bastard gimmick. It suits me better than @@@ allowing me to write more freely and really develop the character. I'm in talks right now for some pretty cool gimmicks. And I had to let other guys know that I decided to go another direction and they were cool with it. Maybe.. Bottom line is, an efed is tough because how do you balance storyline with effort? Does someone deserve to win because their character is a "legend" who was able to rest on his laurels and mail it in because the story would be better if they got over? What happens is you get a cluster fuck of new guys like myself and ZT who write epic rps. What do you do? In my case I'm satisfied. I've lost. Alot. But I'm paying my dues. As a match writer if someone doesn't rp, they don't deserve the prime spots. Period. And they certainly don't deserve to win anything. However, like let's use Obi as an example. I am in charge of the hardcore match. So far I have Doc and Crazy J ahead. They've put in the effort. But zmac and obi as of time of release have not put anything up. Which means I am going to reward the 2 who've put in the effort with the most insane spots and most air time, and though the ultimate decision is seths, if he gave me carte Blanche to write an ending, there's gonna be a new hardcore champion. But in the end, wrestling is about stories being told by characters. And if crazy j or Doc Henry don't fit the storyline crafted, then they make a great showing but don't win. So those who are butthurt about effort, disrespect, blah blah, I leave you with this from a certified newbie who writes his ass off. 1. "Legends" have paid their dues. There's a reason they are legends. I should have lost to Oblivion based on his legend. And I would have been okay with that. 2. Story is key. Talk to people work out storylines. The one I'm working up right now is gonna leave people fucking speechless. And if I need to lose for the benefit of the story..so be it. And finally... 3. Write for the love not the result. I love seeing a great writer craft a story in rp and match incorperating my character. I strive to bring the same enjoyment with my writing, win or lose. I rp to win, but I rp to see how my thread weaves into the fantastic tapestry that is WCF. P.S.: About the Baron. I feel he is the best heat drawer in the business. But without consistent rps and consistent character development..he's a bug on the wibdshield. 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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 21:34:53 GMT -5
Maybe we should have a section where people can see a list of current story lines... I try to read other peoples stuff but i have already faced people who never even read my roleplay and it showed by their comments. I am not bitching i am just really trying to understand this better. We used to have a storyline board... but they did away with it for some reason  I miss it. It was a good read and helped when facing an opponent you'd never faced before. |
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Post by jasoncash on Aug 25, 2016 21:38:27 GMT -5
I thing TUB put it perfectly... You wanna be a no sell guy who can't lose..put it in your work. You wanna your dude to be a monster..put it in your work. Been doin this for a long time... And half those people dont. Wanna be a monster but the RP makes you come off like a bitch and not a monster at all..just some dude. Too many times I've seen the "I can't lose" guy..tell me why. Tell me what you have that negates my strength...jui jitsu and leverage? Too often someone gets pissy cause their character doesn't get treated the way they want because there is no character..its just some dude. My old and most successful character Erik Black was a can't lose guy. And in my work, I told you why....and guess what...didnt lose often. Cash isn't scared of shit. Obi a serial killer? Ok, we gonna fight? ZT kills folks too. We gonna fight? Point is..dont get all pissy when someone doesn't bow down to what you want character to be. Cash aint scared of shit..dont matter how big bad or whatever. Guy just likes to fight.Thats what makes the smack talk fun. I'm gonna look at your character..their history..and break it down. Bishop leads a group... I'll say its a cult and tellem to drink the koolaid. With segs, its a little different. Your guy is huge, none not so much, so when we have an altercation, cash has to blind you with tobacco spit to get the edge and shit..which is why I love segs
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Post by Gemini Battle on Aug 25, 2016 21:41:55 GMT -5
Legends lose all the time. It doesn't diminish what they've done. No one thought you didn't deserve to win.
I feel like people are taking this personally. This has been a topic for at least 3 years and we use oblivion as an example because his gimmick is the easiest to sell and also the least sold.
Everyone who started in the last month will begin to get their shit over.
Everyone who started in the past few months have just starts to get their shit over.
But actively no selling a gimmick is wrong.
Not knowing is no excuse.
You can sell a gimmick by no selling it if that makes sense. 'Everyone is afraid of you oblivion, but I'm not.' Acknowledge that he is to be feared even if everyone says he's not. You sound like everyone else but youre selling the gimmick.
And again, just using Obi bc I love the guy OOC and love his gimmick. But this is not just about him and his character.
Salem shepherd is a schizophrenic. Reading his rps can be confusing unless you know that. So when you shoot on him you are shooting on 4 people.
And then I did my shoot on Jason cash by no selling his gimmick. I called him a redneck hick, read his rps and made him deeper then no sold the explanation, but geminis theory on the character was still there.
I learned all of that about the two characters by skimming their rps and reading their bios. It's not hard to find out about your opponents.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Aug 25, 2016 21:42:29 GMT -5
We could have it again. But it would be up to people to make updates for their character. I think the reason it kind of got lost in the shuffle before is because some people were updating with things that weren't exactly relevant. It almost became like Facebook for some characters where they'd post what they had for dinner. (Not literally but the equivalent of that.)
If people update pertinent information, hell even as a sub-reply to their own character sheet so it's all in one place, then things like that won't be missed. Especially for match writers who don't always know every minute detail of whatever story you've got going on.
But overall as far as how you should handle whom you're facing ... everything in on the main site. History and all that. It will explain to you who has done what. It's common sense you just don't ignore those things.
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Post by TheButcher on Aug 25, 2016 22:05:34 GMT -5
I read the whole thread.. And, all discussions were interesting and thought provoking (good/bad/otherwise.) So, to clear the air.. My CD was intended to be a 3-4 month process on purpose, thus why I used the word 'metamorphosis.' As well as I have a very detailed 'back story' in my bio-sheet of my character's life... (So, it will make sense when I go through each step of the transformation, and everything I did for CD was intentional.) So, #1 My character is NOT a no-selling Goldberg, Kane, Undertaker, etc. My final product now...The Grim Butcher is the 'Butterfly' that has went in the stages of his internal demons, but played out in WCF.. This includes: 1) Being ashamed of himself and being 'The Unknown' 2) Unmasking and being The Baron, and hoping to fond hope, but also fight his demons by being a better person, and joining DRG 3) Then, Baron was sick of the 'diplomatic' ways DRG handled their business, and I went to AoD 4) I went to AoD, and a neutral still, but become a 'heel' but is still in a state of confusion, and thus the incessant ramblings, attacks, and intentionally being annoying... 5) Then, embracing his 'heel' status, and becoming more enraged and angry at everyone, and starting shit with any and everyone...and, thus it appears that 'Baron' has some mental issues... Which, brings me to the final part of my character.. 6) He finally realizes and comes to grips that he DOES have mental issues...psycho- and socio-pathic. Baron (IC) felt there is WCF politics, everyone is just pissing him off now..and finally, now.. End stage of transformation of the intentional 3-4 month CD development.. He discovers who is relative is (which was semi-revealed, but will be stated in my RP for the Alpha belt,) but..also, by trade my IC Father was a meat cutter/butcher, which he did learn from his Dad at a young age (Ironically, OOC my Father was a RL butcher for close to 30 years..) So, now..Massaker knows his mental instability, his purpose, he will not be all over the map and be more focused, calculated, but methodical... And, have no remorse, or feelings.) So, will I be out for 'blood' and attempt to decimate opponents, and will my character make brutal attacks on the board? Yes! But, now my final stage of my character is at his full discovery and acceptance of his 'rage' and 'no regard' for anyone...I will still use the boards, but not even REMOTELY close to what Baron did... Baron was confused about his mental state, and just was all over the map. Whereas, 'The Grim Butcher' Massaker will attack and say some brutal things, but they won't be as trivial, juvenile name calling, or just commenting on everything... He will say what he needs to say, and my IC persona is now one of..'I don't care' 'Everyone is meaningless,' and 'I'll just destroy you in the ring.' Which, then.. I'll let my RPs speak volumes, instead of being on the boards jawing back and forth.for no reason, as that does not fit into the final transformation of my IC persona...and, really don't care what people say...But, I will interject some, to keep my persona up... (But, not like Baron where he was just....a mess. Confused... And, just saying random shit.. Which, was intentional..BTW  ) So, hope you all enjoy my final stage of persona, and what a 3-4 month project this has been for me... Now, I just need to build on my final stage, and keep him relevant, macabrex etc. Lastly, will I actually destroy and no-sell people? NO! Because, we have excellent match writers that will incorporate each wrestlers' persona, and I am sure I will destroy some people, and there will be times my ass will be handed to me... (Especially, if I write a shitty RP.) So, though my last stage persona is this psycho butcher...I am still a 'fictional' human, and has no super power... And, I, myself, will be sure to planted by powerbombs, etc. My character is just an Ultra-Heel, that now knows his purpose and is calculated. I hope this clarifies a lot for everyone.. |
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Post by Seth on Aug 25, 2016 23:04:18 GMT -5
give each other handjobs and be done with it
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Aug 25, 2016 23:08:16 GMT -5
give each other handjobs and be done with it I was gonna say don't say that with Rod around, but ... he's already seen AND liked your idea. *facepalm* |
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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 23:09:51 GMT -5
give each other handjobs and be done with it I was gonna say don't say that with Rod around, but ... he's already seen AND liked your idea. *facepalm* You know you love it lol |
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I miss it. It was a good read and helped when facing an opponent you'd never faced before. 
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