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Post by Jeff Purse on Aug 25, 2016 14:43:07 GMT -5
Without much time to write a long response, I will say this.
I agree with Corey Black.
Gemini eats doo doo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 14:51:50 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is that both sides are right, ergo the issue is too many SCSA characters?
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Post by jasoncash on Aug 25, 2016 14:59:50 GMT -5
I think a good writer can pull off being a best wrestler in the work type. I've done it. My character Erik Black is Ann mma expert who was trained by the gracies...cant lose. He loses? Well he learns from mistakes like any true warrior should and respects those who do. Cash is a country boy who isn't scared of shit..not the most skills..just loves to fight...win or lose. He loses? He lost..took that ass whoopin like a man.
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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 15:03:15 GMT -5
Seems to me like the majority of the guys complaining are the "old school" guys from the golden era  soooooo what I'm thinking we should do is... we should create a division just for the old guys to fight over their pills, tell each other war stories and talk about the good old days and how those darn kids are always on their lawns. Problem solved  |
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Aug 25, 2016 15:05:19 GMT -5
Seems to me like the majority of the guys complaining are the "old school" guys from the golden era soooooo what I'm thinking we should do is... we should create a division just for the old guys to fight over their pulls, tell each other war stories and talk about the good old days and how those darn kids are always on their lawns. Problem solved  |
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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 15:06:58 GMT -5
Seems to me like the majority of the guys complaining are the "old school" guys from the golden era soooooo what I'm thinking we should do is... we should create a division just for the old guys to fight over their pulls, tell each other war stories and talk about the good old days and how those darn kids are always on their lawns. Problem solved |
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Post by Dionysus on Aug 25, 2016 15:11:45 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is that both sides are right, ergo the issue is too many SCSA characters? To me, the problem seems to be that there isn't a good way to interact with characters aside from making one roleplay post a week, where from what I've seen, doesn't allow opponents to comment in. Maybe we should look at that part of it to help with character relation development? |
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Post by Corey Black on Aug 25, 2016 15:15:01 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is that both sides are right, ergo the issue is too many SCSA characters? To me, the problem seems to be that there isn't a good way to interact with characters aside from making one roleplay post a week, where from what I've seen, doesn't allow opponents to comment in. Maybe we should look at that part of it to help with character relation development? Kind of. Even if there was a formal "locker room" type board, characters still wouldn't be sold as what the handler is trying to be. |
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Post by Dionysus on Aug 25, 2016 15:19:59 GMT -5
To me, the problem seems to be that there isn't a good way to interact with characters aside from making one roleplay post a week, where from what I've seen, doesn't allow opponents to comment in. Maybe we should look at that part of it to help with character relation development? Kind of. Even if there was a formal "locker room" type board, characters still wouldn't be sold as what the handler is trying to be. That's where RP collaboration would be very helpful, in my mind. The more we understand each others' characters, the better writing we'll all have in the long run. Plus, a more formal backstage/in-ring promo deal would help to have the characters hype up the importance of matches, whether they're title defenses, big story feuds, debuts, etc. Sort of a Pros/Cons list, but its worth considering, at the very least. |
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Post by jasoncash on Aug 25, 2016 15:23:27 GMT -5
A better thing would be to have everyone put in segs. In your shoot, you shouldnt be like..oh you are so strong..i have no chance"...but a seg for the show would be completely different. It sets up feuds on the actual who. Salem and I had a feud going a while back. His character is a dwmonic monster. Mine is a fearless warrior. We worked out segs respecting each others strengths. Jaymz over powered Erik constantly. Erik could only really get over with cheap shots
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Post by Gemini Battle on Aug 25, 2016 15:54:32 GMT -5
A better thing would be to have everyone put in segs. In your shoot, you shouldnt be like..oh you are so strong..i have no chance"...but a seg for the show would be completely different. It sets up feuds on the actual who. Salem and I had a feud going a while back. His character is a dwmonic monster. Mine is a fearless warrior. We worked out segs respecting each others strengths. Jaymz over powered Erik constantly. Erik could only really get over with cheap shots Gawd... Salem was jaymz. Shit. Good character meng. I used to mention that character in shoots as gem back I. The day. It would always get goths socks off. |
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Post by Crazy J zt on Aug 25, 2016 15:59:57 GMT -5
The thing is crazy j doesn't fear anyone and in his head he is bigger then anyone here in the wcf... Plus I am fucking crazy so I am not normal lol
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Post by Stuart Slane on Aug 25, 2016 16:27:59 GMT -5
Cool. One of my favorite efed topics has popped up again just as I'm checking in at work. I'll try to reply in more detail when I get home but to summarize my feeling is in all but the most egregious cases people should be allowed to write the way they want to. Yeah it does get dull when every wrestler is basically a no-selling anti-hero who talks down to their opponents Ala SCSA or the Rock but if that's the character they want to play so be it. Acting like Stone Cold needs to be earned. If you're just starting out, you need to follow along with characters. There's a slim few that should be telling Oblivion that he's a jackass in a mask. And at the same time, the very same few that can no-sell Baron's stuff. Yet it continually happens and discourages characters in WCF as opposed to worked shoot nonsense. Acting like Stone Cold (or The Rock or The Undertaker or Lesnar or any other no-selling tough guy) doesn't need to be earned in my opinion. Winning like him/them does. If somebody wants to play the part of the fearless trash talker, which, based on the justifications given in this thread, is pretty much everyone, they should be allowed to. However, when the time comes to face whomever the tough guy's talking smack about in the ring, and the opponent wins the rp battle, the 'tough guy' needs to take the L. Unless the other person is cool with having a less than clean win that is. And that's where collaboration comes in. Let's be blunt: most of the no-selling issues comes from people who are not working together; in fact it's far more likely what the parties are 'working' on is settling OOC grudges. And life is too short to waste on that foolishness. |
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Post by Stuart Slane on Aug 25, 2016 16:42:54 GMT -5
Maybe the problem is that both sides are right, ergo the issue is too many SCSA characters? To me, the problem seems to be that there isn't a good way to interact with characters aside from making one roleplay post a week, where from what I've seen, doesn't allow opponents to comment in. Maybe we should look at that part of it to help with character relation development? The Internet Board is a good way to interact with each other in character when used correctly. |
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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 16:47:12 GMT -5
To me, the problem seems to be that there isn't a good way to interact with characters aside from making one roleplay post a week, where from what I've seen, doesn't allow opponents to comment in. Maybe we should look at that part of it to help with character relation development? The Internet Board is a good way to interact with each other in character when used correctly. I'm curious to know what you believe the correct and incorrect ways are to properly use the Internet boards? Perhaps we should even create a thread on this which has rules and guidelines on it which everyone sticks by? |
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Post by Mikey eXtreme on Aug 25, 2016 17:03:11 GMT -5
I want to say I always try my best to sell my opponent but it's not always the easiest thing to do.
It's something I've honestly been working on lately and I hope it's at least peeking through in my work.
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Post by Mikey eXtreme on Aug 25, 2016 17:04:17 GMT -5
Baron is rolling with it to try to keep the character dangerous. He shouldn't have to keep up with gifs and sandwich talk from like 4 different people. This is the reason I rarely use the internet boards. |
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Aug 25, 2016 17:29:38 GMT -5
Nobody tells enough stories. That's the problem. People just get their weekly matches and that's it. And then you have 6 people you had matches with a month ago talking shit on the Inet boards. The only real feuds are the ones for titles etc.
I'm not saying that we DON'T have people working together on stories, but it's very rare. The best way to actually get over is to tell a great story over time. The W or L at the end shouldn't be the entire pinnacle of it all because if a story is done well, even the person who loses the big match looks like gold in the end.
And with faces and heels, I mean you just have a natural set that makes it work. If the face is doing their job right, everyone wants to see the face kick the heel's ass. And if the heel is doing their job right, not only are they getting themselves over as a heel, they are also helping to get the face over.
It has to be give and take. Should a heel attack their rival and look strong going into a big feud? Absolutely, it's part of what heels do. But the thing about working with someone is that you have to expect and accept that there needs to be retribution to balance it out and progress the feud. If you just keep beating your rival down in segments every week, there is no investment in the feud. Nobody cares about it. But if you deliver a beatdown one week and then a week or two later your rival comes out and gets a measure of revenge it ignites things and makes them interesting.
I mean, everyone can play their character how they want to. But as much as this may be a competitive writing game, it's also a team game. You'll never get the best results without working along with someone. That means sometimes you have to not be the one looking the best in the situation. You have to look at what is best for both parties, not just what is best for one person.
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Post by Jeff Purse on Aug 25, 2016 17:31:09 GMT -5
It's not that the "old guys" have issues with people not selling them. You dont even have to be scared of someone to sell them. But take into account the character that your talking to. Woukd you straight up spit trash in the face of a monster like Oblivion if you JUST GOT HERE without even mentioning the monster-ness of him? Or even being timid or a little put off by him even if you are a confident person? I talk trash to oblivion in RPs because I have faced him a number of times and it's logical that Jeff be more...unafraid of him than most people. But never is Jeff not at least somewhat taken aback with Obi. I acknowledge that he is a scary monster capable of scary things but in the ring its a different story. Like, for instance, take the story I ran with NvL around One. Two guys who know each other inside and out. Enemies since the moment they met. Out of anyone here Jeff knows NvL the longest and the best. So he knows what NvL is capable of. You'll see the fear from Jeff and Kari about NvL all over the place. Because the character is an insane, psychopath. So Jeff treats him like that. However, new guys who come in talking shit and not even having a tad but of knowledge or anything and they address Jeff like he is just anybody? Yeah chances are I'll no sell you harder than anyone. I also think the activity in the internet board dictates characters personalities. This is where i might disagree with CD. Massaker or Baron or whatevers activity on the internet board sometimes seems very unlike his character, and I might respond to it ad such. Then there are certain people Jeff plain doesnt take serious. Like Lilith for example. He ignored her because everything she says is dumb. I dont know if you understand this ramble of rambles. Its discombobulated. But yeah...try to sell others characters you no selling jobbers! |
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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 17:32:49 GMT -5
It's not that the "old guys" have issues with people not selling them. You dont even have to be scared of someone to sell them. But take into account the character that your talking to. Woukd you straight up spit trash in the face of a monster like Oblivion if you JUST GOT HERE without even mentioning the monster-ness of him? Or even being timid or a little put off by him even if you are a confident person? I talk trash to oblivion in RPs because I have faced him a number of times and it's logical that Jeff be more...unafraid of him than most people. But never is Jeff not at least somewhat taken aback with Obi. I acknowledge that he is a scary monster capable of scary things but in the ring its a different story. Like, for instance, take the story I ran with NvL around One. Two guys who know each other inside and out. Enemies since the moment they met. Out of anyone here Jeff knows NvL the longest and the best. So he knows what NvL is capable of. You'll see the fear from Jeff and Kari about NvL all over the place. Because the character is an insane, psychopath. So Jeff treats him like that. However, new guys who come in talking shit and not even having a tad but of knowledge or anything and they address Jeff like he is just anybody? Yeah chances are I'll no sell you harder than anyone. I also think the activity in the internet board dictates characters personalities. This is where i might disagree with CD. Massaker or Baron or whatevers activity on the internet board sometimes seems very unlike his character, and I might respond to it ad such. Then there are certain people Jeff plain doesnt take serious. Like Lilith for example. He ignored her because everything she says is dumb. I dont know if you understand this ramble of rambles. Its discombobulated. But yeah...try to sell others characters you no selling jobbers! NERD! |
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soooooo what I'm thinking we should do is... we should create a division just for the old guys to fight over their pills, tell each other war stories and talk about the good old days and how those darn kids are always on their lawns. Problem solved 
