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Post by Jeff Purse on Aug 25, 2016 23:39:48 GMT -5
I don't want my character pushed because I earned it, I want my character to be sold appropriatly because I earned it. I lose all the god damn time, but I've been here for years, I've put in a lot of time and effort, I have built this character from the ground up, and just like in wrestling those kind of accomplishments get respected. That doesn't mean you have to grovel and bow down, it means understand what you're saying. So many, SO MANY new guys roll through here like Gemini said and talk like people who have been around for a while are common place, warm up jobbers. No. That doesnt happenin real fake wrestling and it shouldn't happen here. Look at people like The Rock or Stone Cold or Shawn Michaels or anybody who was somebody from an earlier era of wwe, they get treated like fucking superhumans. All we or at least I was saying is acknowledge who it is you are talking to.
This is specifically for the legend portion of selling characters, and it goes for everyone. I would acknowledge your gimmick....but I'm not about to learn the story of 10 some odd guys a week who blow in and out of here...I dont have that kind of time. Thays where when Gemini said the selling kinda has to be earned cause frankly I dont have time to sell a character that is ignorant, no sells everyone, and is gone in a month.
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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 23:45:39 GMT -5
I don't want my character pushed because I earned it, I want my character to be sold appropriatly because I earned it. I lose all the god damn time, but I've been here for years, I've put in a lot of time and effort, I have built this character from the ground up, and just like in wrestling those kind of accomplishments get respected. That doesn't mean you have to grovel and bow down, it means understand what you're saying. So many, SO MANY new guys roll through here like Gemini said and talk like people who have been around for a while are common place, warm up jobbers. No. That doesnt happenin real fake wrestling and it shouldn't happen here. Look at people like The Rock or Stone Cold or Shawn Michaels or anybody who was somebody from an earlier era of wwe, they get treated like fucking superhumans. All we or at least I was saying is acknowledge who it is you are talking to. This is specifically for the legend portion of selling characters, and it goes for everyone. I would acknowledge your gimmick....but I'm not about to learn the story of 10 some odd guys a week who blow in and out of here...I dont have that kind of time. Thays where when Gemini said the selling kinda has to be earned cause frankly I dont have time to sell a character that is ignorant, no sells everyone, and is gone in a month. But... Purse sucks. #TeamGemini |
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Post by Lilith on Aug 25, 2016 23:56:15 GMT -5
Guys! Aside from the SUPER cobweb covered OAPs... I am now one of the oldest guys in the WCF as I have been here now for over 3 years (on and off)... therefore I demand that you all respect me and start selling Lilith for the legitimate threat that she is  Many thanks <3 lol |
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Post by CJ Phoenix on Aug 26, 2016 0:09:11 GMT -5
You don't want this to turn into a selling match, because I'll sell bacon to pigs! lol
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Aug 26, 2016 0:10:06 GMT -5
You don't want this to turn into a selling match, because I'll sell bacon to pigs! lol Bacon fed Bacon?! You're a genius! |
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Post by John Rabid on Aug 26, 2016 0:30:46 GMT -5
Skip to 3:10 to get what Corey means here. Heels and faces have to sell the other's gimmick if there's to be any story or any sense of importance. The problem with the internet boards is that it's too easy to troll. ZMAC turned it into an art form during his title matches, but he did so within the right context, he was fighting for his title at the time. That was how he fought his wars...dirty. ZMAC/Odin rarely commented outside of that arena. But when he did so he added to the story, he gave it gravitas.
Apologies to the Baron, I'll get behind this new persona the best I can.
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Post by TheButcher on Aug 26, 2016 0:57:09 GMT -5
No apologies, needed. My 'trolling' and incessant board comments, and 'legend' disrespect IC ONLY ..was part of my character THEN... That was on purpose, and really didn't think I had to explain my reasoning, but I guess some people didn't realize I was having a legit, pre-planned CD for months. The Baron just being random, annoying, disrespecting new and legends, 'trolling' was character driven. Because, now it's out..Massaker is clinically diagnosed as psycho & socio (which, includes narcissism, no regards to authority or respect, etc.)
So, there was NEVER a slight to Corey, Jeff, Dag, Gem, Bates, etc. It was part of my IC master plan...To draw heat, and gradually grown from neutral, borderline face attempt, then heel...now ultra-heel.
So, now..my character's final stage is revealed, my board presence will be very minimal, as Massaker KNOWS who he is now, and not in a state of confusion, etc.
So, hopefully.. That explains what I was doing the last few months.. But, I couldn't really divulge my plan..as, I wanted to keep it fresh.
OOC: I 100% Respect everyone of the legends, vets, and even rookies.. IC.. My mental state was in a flux, and just a total mess, so.. Thus the constant board jawings..
Now, my persona is unilateral, and now without the .gif and the 'name calling' because it won't coincide with my character...Sometimes, it 'may' come out, because Massaker is insane..But, very, very rarely.. It will just be straight up comments that will only enhance my CD or match, and not a 4 way conversation, or back-n-forths... Because, that is NOT his personal now that he 'found' himself.
Plus, being in AoD, it complements Oblivion's persona. He is the Monster Serial Killer...and, I'm just here to destroy anyone and everyone.. And, he is just a 'butcher' who is focused, and has no remorse.
And, with Night Rider at the helm, then..that just works great within the AoD formula.
Thanks for the support, Johhny.. And, I do hope everyone enjoys this persona, and especially... With this persona, he won't be annoying, trolling, or tweet attacking everyone on the roster...lmfao
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Post by Caliban on Aug 26, 2016 1:00:31 GMT -5
It's for reasons like this that I make a point when match writing not to really pay attention to the RP's and work heavily from the characters profile trying to find a way to mesh the 2 together, there are easy subtle ways that ANY CHARACTER can incorporate to pay some kind of homage to the character they are playing off, take for example Obi instead of being scared of him (if your character has a genuine reason not to just not being scared of anybody is the laziest fucking writing ever and makes your work incredibly one dimensional, why would anyone care about you if you only feel one emotion) talk about how you remember his character before you got here or the character like him from the past talk about hiding behind the sofa as a kid or something say you stopped being scared for a reason not just because it's who you are.
If I am writing someone like Obi or Vengeance against any opponent that opponent will at some point at least double take a couple of times during the match in shock at them getting up all the time or having to scramble away from their brutality.
We are all here to tell stories together anyone so deeply involved in their own character that they refuse to pay any kind of credence to the person they are facing is to self centred to be involved in this game and should get out now and anyone who has been here and around me knows I have a history of all of that it's something I'm glad I grew out of too some extent I think people forget what happened due to pettiness and stupid shit a few months back it was arguments and bullheadedness that nearly killed this place, it was a sense of community that kept it together don't fuck that up for pride good efeds are built on respect this is a good efed
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Post by AdamYoung on Aug 26, 2016 1:12:13 GMT -5
I think I can sum up this whole disagreement. I'll lay it out for ya, when you enter the real world and by real world I mean a job where your not delivering pizzas or waiting tables. A job where 40 hours a week is welcomed cause your putting in 50 hours plus you earn respect by showing up to work and working. You keep your head down and don't talk down towards the people who have been working for the company for several years and have earned respect. Respect is not given out like your little participation trophy you got for showing up to one practice and went 0-20 during the season of Little League. All you new handlers need to talk with people like me who was new in WCF back in 2009, I didn't walk in and demand this or that. I kept my head down earned the respect I have from the guys who built this place. You know what I got for showing respect to those guys 2 runs as tag champ and the tag team of the year award. Just remember people this is a game and it doesn't matter if you've been doing it since 1999 your new here and you have to earn your place. Handlers who where here with one character are now here with another and started over, that's how this works. Stop crying and start playing the game.
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Post by TheButcher on Aug 26, 2016 1:26:57 GMT -5
I 100% agree, but if the character is an asshole like that, then IC you play that part.. You can walk in, disrespect, and whatever your IC persona is... NOW...
IF this disrespect occurred OOC, then yes...that is crossing the line. And, I know that I have NEVER disrespected anyone OOC, and have been a good guy.
IC persona, and OOC is 2 different things.
If it wasn't for you, Adam...or Corey, and the rest of the legends and vets, I wouldn't have the opportunity to be in WCF maybe. But, because you all stayed loyal, work hard, and built a great foundation... I am able to be here to have fun!
So, IC is NOT the person that acts like it's a job, because his persona can be anything that person imagines, and that includes IC boards..
But, OOC should apply to the 'work analogy' aspect you mentioned Adam, and definitely respect the legends, and vets.
Now, we have times we have a disagreement, stressed out, etc. But, at the end of the day, we all are a dysfunctional family that wants to put out a great product. And, I..for one, am glad for good constructive criticism from legends/vets..like Vengeance, Doc, Rabid, CD, Bates, Oblivion, Seth, etc. They have been very instrumental on WCF policies, CD, suggestions, and just OOC well wishes because of the things I am dealing with in RL.
NOW.. that is family, and mutual respect, and why I do call WCF home. And, a place where I can de-stress and USS my creative mind to use as an outlet.
Sure, I had an outburst, but I was frustrated, but.. It was a misunderstanding, and no disrespect to anyone. And, now, the issue is not an issue, because of that mutual respect. And, also Corey made very valid points in the original post, and I 100% agree with him.. And, it's completely fine to use me as an example. But, now it's out in the open, I think that WCF is better for it and we will have some very great matches for many weeks to come.
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on Aug 26, 2016 1:34:01 GMT -5
the key to each character is 'Why?' This is learned by reading through past roleplays, which can be tiresome and drawn out. If you wonder 'Why what?' then I say 'Why everything'
Freezer Burn doesn't like to talk about family. Why? He's buried too many of his kin already.
Freezer Burn is four personas, The Freeze, The Burn, Freezer Burn, and the culmination of the three as Wayne Hammon. Why? Each one is a different set of strengths and flaws where Wayne Hammon is the balance of them all. It adjusts according to his mental and emotional state.
Why is Freezer Burn a 'no sell gimmick'? He's not. The more able his opponent, the more dangerous his opponent, the more animated, the more serious, the harder his workouts, and the more everything he becomes. Those he fears the most are the ones he faces the hardest and at his best because in his core he knows no other way than to face his demons and fears head on when he can face them in a wrestling ring. Things outside of wrestling are nearly the opposite, where he avoids these things at all costs because it's something you cannot physically fight and have to look internally to resolve. On the rare times he faces his personal demons, he becomes stronger as both a person and a wrestler for a short period of time, but quickly relapses into his old ways which in itself become slightly enhanced, especially his flaws.
He likes it when someone surprises him because it means they have escalated the challenge level, and he becomes more in order to face that person again.
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on Aug 26, 2016 1:52:04 GMT -5
I think I can sum up this whole disagreement. I'll lay it out for ya, when you enter the real world and by real world I mean a job where your not delivering pizzas or waiting tables. A job where 40 hours a week is welcomed cause your putting in 50 hours plus you earn respect by showing up to work and working. You keep your head down and don't talk down towards the people who have been working for the company for several years and have earned respect. Respect is not given out like your little participation trophy you got for showing up to one practice and went 0-20 during the season of Little League. All you new handlers need to talk with people like me who was new in WCF back in 2009, I didn't walk in and demand this or that. I kept my head down earned the respect I have from the guys who built this place. You know what I got for showing respect to those guys 2 runs as tag champ and the tag team of the year award. Just remember people this is a game and it doesn't matter if you've been doing it since 1999 your new here and you have to earn your place. Handlers who where here with one character are now here with another and started over, that's how this works. Stop crying and start playing the game. OOC proof that there is a genuine and intelligent person behind Adam Young. How many people has he seen join WCF that are not here anymore? Can't blame him for not wanting to get to know these people who have been here less than a year, cuz they might just leave next week. Which also unfortunately leads to the problem of not working WITH other handlers to help tell a story. Maybe he does with the long term guys, but little evidence is shown to support co-op storylines. No offense Adam, but our feud could have been so much more if we would have co-op throughout. |
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Post by Corey Black on Aug 26, 2016 7:15:37 GMT -5
When did this go from "sell the character" to "omg legends always have to go over?"
Maybe I'm just reading this wrong and I'm tired.
Oblivion's character should not be mocked by anyone that hasn't gone face to face with him and won.
Baron should be sold as a crazy butcher, not a cartoon.
Literally the gist of it.
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Post by Gemini Battle on Aug 26, 2016 7:33:32 GMT -5
When did this go from "sell the character" to "omg legends always have to go over?" Maybe I'm just reading this wrong and I'm tired. Oblivion's character should not be mocked by anyone that hasn't gone face to face with him and won. Baron should be sold as a crazy butcher, not a cartoon. Literally the gist of it. I think this is what I was trying to say. Selling the gimmick doesn't mean bowing down it means acknowledging the gimmick and shooting on it not devaluing it. |
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Post by TheButcher on Aug 26, 2016 8:35:19 GMT -5
When did this go from "sell the character" to "omg legends always have to go over?" Maybe I'm just reading this wrong and I'm tired. Oblivion's character should not be mocked by anyone that hasn't gone face to face with him and won. Baron should be sold as a crazy butcher, not a cartoon. Literally the gist of it. Not a Baron now..lol And, if I am sold as a cartoon, I'm assuming... SpongeBob is acceptable? lol (I had to add levity to the thread..) |
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Post by TheButcher on Aug 26, 2016 8:38:29 GMT -5
When did this go from "sell the character" to "omg legends always have to go over?" Maybe I'm just reading this wrong and I'm tired. Oblivion's character should not be mocked by anyone that hasn't gone face to face with him and won. Baron should be sold as a crazy butcher, not a cartoon. Literally the gist of it. I think this is what I was trying to say. Selling the gimmick doesn't mean bowing down it means acknowledging the gimmick and shooting on it not devaluing it. Well said, with brevity. And, I 100% agree with you and Gemini. Because NO ONE will go on a Goldberg/Undertaker streak, but.. Yes, sell the gimmick in/out of ring...win/lose/draw. |
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Post by Dionysus on Aug 26, 2016 8:41:30 GMT -5
I think I can sum up this whole disagreement. I'll lay it out for ya, when you enter the real world and by real world I mean a job where your not delivering pizzas or waiting tables. A job where 40 hours a week is welcomed cause your putting in 50 hours plus you earn respect by showing up to work and working. You keep your head down and don't talk down towards the people who have been working for the company for several years and have earned respect. Respect is not given out like your little participation trophy you got for showing up to one practice and went 0-20 during the season of Little League. All you new handlers need to talk with people like me who was new in WCF back in 2009, I didn't walk in and demand this or that. I kept my head down earned the respect I have from the guys who built this place. You know what I got for showing respect to those guys 2 runs as tag champ and the tag team of the year award. Just remember people this is a game and it doesn't matter if you've been doing it since 1999 your new here and you have to earn your place. Handlers who where here with one character are now here with another and started over, that's how this works. Stop crying and start playing the game. We're not demanding immediate pushes, so I'm not really sure what you're going on about. |
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Post by Crazy J zt on Aug 26, 2016 8:50:43 GMT -5
The thing is I don't know a lot of these Legends so when i face them I do my homework this is my second time in a match with zmac and I pinned him... He no showed for it but in character I still get the win. I just think everyone should work to push their character I have 20 years in I shouldn't have to push legends and wait for the day that they have to do the same homework as me... That's all I am saying... our character matter 2 and we will protest and stand in the street and scream shit and make demands... Lol
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Post by Dionysus on Aug 26, 2016 9:06:59 GMT -5
The thing is I don't know a lot of these Legends so when i face them I do my homework this is my second time in a match with zmac and I pinned him... He no showed for it but in character I still get the win. I just think everyone should work to push their character I have 20 years in I shouldn't have to push legends and wait for the day that they have to do the same homework as me... That's all I am saying... our character matter 2 and we will protest and stand in the street and scream shit and make demands... Lol There's a difference between pushing a character and selling a character. A big difference. |
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Post by Jeff Purse on Aug 26, 2016 9:16:33 GMT -5
The thing is I don't know a lot of these Legends so when i face them I do my homework this is my second time in a match with zmac and I pinned him... He no showed for it but in character I still get the win. I just think everyone should work to push their character I have 20 years in I shouldn't have to push legends and wait for the day that they have to do the same homework as me... That's all I am saying... our character matter 2 and we will protest and stand in the street and scream shit and make demands... Lol There's a difference between pushing a character and selling a character. A big difference. No one is asking for a push. Just a sell. Like Dion said, there is a big difference. And its not JUST legends, you keep taking it there, its EVERYONE! You should sell everyone's character. |
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