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Post by Joey Flash on Jun 7, 2015 15:36:18 GMT -5
I'd genuinely love to hear both sides takes on it! Especially around what Gravedigger was saying, cos that's probably THE big point for 'Yes' voters.
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jun 7, 2015 15:36:38 GMT -5
I am of the personal belief one doesn't have to respond with a mile to beat a mile. If anything length can hurt an RP but it is all about how you use it. Sometimes a mile of an RP is super boring and then a shorter RP can win. That's true, but the person with the longer RP typically has a higher chance of it being something higher quality that can beat the shorter roleplay. I mean we've only had a couple of lengthy RPers in the history of WCF who didn't bust out like 99% high quality material. If we had a history of fluff writers on a regular basis, then that would be different. Still doesn't mean a shorter RP can't win. It just takes different mechanics I feel. It is like long movies vs shorter movies. A lot of great movies tend to be longer but some of the best movies are 90 minutes or just a little over. I sight 12 Angry Men. But that is not really comparable tbh. But I don't think one has to do long to win, I feel Seth is far that way. Again it is about how you use it. Some seriously short RPs have gotten RP of the Week if you look through the archives. |
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jun 7, 2015 15:37:52 GMT -5
I don't think it's devolved into an argument. We can disagree and have a discussion. Right, I hope I am not looking like I am fighting. I am trying to come off reasonable here. I totally get where the other side is coming from there is a legit argument. I just happen to be on the other side |
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Post by Kaz on Jun 7, 2015 15:37:53 GMT -5
Maybe I misinterpreted the direction we were headed there for a minute.
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Post by Joey Flash on Jun 7, 2015 15:38:20 GMT -5
That's true, but the person with the longer RP typically has a higher chance of it being something higher quality that can beat the shorter roleplay. I mean we've only had a couple of lengthy RPers in the history of WCF who didn't bust out like 99% high quality material. If we had a history of fluff writers on a regular basis, then that would be different. Still doesn't mean a shorter RP can't win. It just takes different mechanics I feel. It is like long movies vs shorter movies. A lot of great movies tend to be longer but some of the best movies are 90 minutes or just a little over. I sight 12 Angry Men. But that is not really comparable tbh. But I don't think one has to do long to win, I feel Seth is far that way. Again it is about how you use it. Some seriously short RPs have gotten RP of the Week if you look through the archives. They don't always WIN though, in a competitive environment as this is (not just a creative writing forum) it's still a massive thing. |
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Post by Corey Black on Jun 7, 2015 15:40:53 GMT -5
I'm reasonably inactive because I can't throw down more than 5k a week. Even my best 5k won't beat a lame 12k. Let's not fool ourselves here. Quality over quantity is encouraged but effort comes into play. I just don't have the time. Is it unfair? Not really. Is it discouraging? 100%.
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Post by Joey Flash on Jun 7, 2015 15:42:16 GMT -5
I'm reasonably inactive because I can't throw down more than 5k a week. Even my best 5k won't beat a lame 12k. Let's not fool ourselves here. Quality over quantity is encouraged but effort comes into play. I just don't have the time. Is it unfair? Not really. Is it discouraging? 100%. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 15:42:54 GMT -5
Next time on Katherine Angers People... Tomatoes. Are they a fruit or a vegetable? Stay tuned!
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Post by Joey Flash on Jun 7, 2015 15:44:55 GMT -5
Next time on Katherine Angers People... Tomatoes. Are they a fruit or a vegetable? Stay tuned! There's no anger, it's interesting, enjoy it! |
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Post by Logan on Jun 7, 2015 15:45:04 GMT -5
I don't really get the idea behind wanting to limit the roleplays word count. That's like saying, well, the New England Patriots are scoring too many points. Maybe the NFL should set a rule where you can only score 40 points a game.
THAT wouldn't make sense. THIS doesn't make sense.
/drops mic
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Post by Joey Flash on Jun 7, 2015 15:46:00 GMT -5
I don't really get the idea behind wanting to limit the roleplays word count. That's like saying, well, the New England Patriots are scoring too many points. Maybe the NFL should set a rule where you can only score 40 points a game. THAT wouldn't make sense. THIS doesn't make sense. /drops mic They have 60 minutes to score as many points as they like, that's the point. |
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Post by Logan on Jun 7, 2015 15:48:07 GMT -5
I don't really get the idea behind wanting to limit the roleplays word count. That's like saying, well, the New England Patriots are scoring too many points. Maybe the NFL should set a rule where you can only score 40 points a game. THAT wouldn't make sense. THIS doesn't make sense. /drops mic They have 60 minutes to score as many points as they like, that's the point. And we have a week? What's your point? |
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jun 7, 2015 15:50:24 GMT -5
I don't really get the idea behind wanting to limit the roleplays word count. That's like saying, well, the New England Patriots are scoring too many points. Maybe the NFL should set a rule where you can only score 40 points a game. THAT wouldn't make sense. THIS doesn't make sense. /drops mic I feel the angle works differently. It would be more if patriots had 10 foot guys against the 6 foot guys. But I just think personally the limit would give the wrong connotation and idea. Also I think it comes down to why a person does this hobby. I just want to enjoy writing so I am not heavily competitive but I get how one would choose to be competitive but there are still aspects where people who don't have THAT much free time and still bang out these RPs so I don't always think it is a free time issue. But that is hard to tell from person to person. Really I just think there is a lot of grey area to this ancient e-fed argument that can't be calculated into it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 15:50:46 GMT -5
I don't really get the idea behind wanting to limit the roleplays word count. That's like saying, well, the New England Patriots are scoring too many points. Maybe the NFL should set a rule where you can only score 40 points a game. THAT wouldn't make sense. THIS doesn't make sense. /drops mic That analogy doesn't work at all. The Patriots do that as a full-time job. This is a hobby for pretty much the entire fed. |
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Post by Joey Flash on Jun 7, 2015 15:50:58 GMT -5
They have 60 minutes to score as many points as they like, that's the point. And we have a week? What's your point? That some weeks are greater than others, my main point in the chat was: If you enter a short story contest, the contest NEVER says 'Enter your story of unlimited length to be judged' It's always 'Enter your story to a limit of X amount of words'. If not, you people are entering some fucked up competitions. Key word: CONTEST, if it's 'Short Story Display' fine, write what you want. |
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Post by Logan on Jun 7, 2015 15:54:47 GMT -5
I don't really get the idea behind wanting to limit the roleplays word count. That's like saying, well, the New England Patriots are scoring too many points. Maybe the NFL should set a rule where you can only score 40 points a game. THAT wouldn't make sense. THIS doesn't make sense. /drops mic That analogy doesn't work at all. The Patriots do that as a full-time job. This is a hobby for pretty much the entire fed. Thought it made total sense. Both are competitive, and WCF limiting word count would be the same as NFL limiting score count just because the rest of the league can't keep up with the amount of points scored per game by certain teams, or this case... words wrote per roleplay. |
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jun 7, 2015 15:55:02 GMT -5
And we have a week? What's your point? That some weeks are greater than others, my main point in the chat was: If you enter a short story contest, the contest NEVER says 'Enter your story of unlimited length to be judged' It's always 'Enter your story to a limit of X amount of words'. If not, you people are entering some fucked up competitions. Key word: CONTEST, if it's 'Short Story Display' fine, write what you want. well, I have to argue here to. There is a definition to the amount of words for what is a short story. If it goes beyond it, it becomes a Novelette then Novella then Novel. But I am just being a NERD now and not really making an important point so carry on lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 15:58:22 GMT -5
That analogy doesn't work at all. The Patriots do that as a full-time job. This is a hobby for pretty much the entire fed. Thought it made total sense. Both are competitive, and WCF limiting word count would be the same as NFL limiting score count just because the rest of the league can't keep up with the amount of points scored per game by certain teams, or this case... words wrote per roleplay. You're trying to equate a full-time job with a hobby though. That's why the analogy doesn't work. |
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Post by God King Dune on Jun 7, 2015 16:00:44 GMT -5
I really hated seeing massive RPs when I first started, but gradually I found myself putting them out. I've been especially guilty of this for the last few PPVs. It's always kind of bittersweet because wow I just wrote this big long story..but no one's going to fucking read it. My final read-through of my AdM promos took forever. I'd be surprised if anyone other than me read them in full, simply because when I see a massive promo, I usually just skim and read the shoot. I want to read everyone's RPs and I want mine to be read as well, so a word-count would help in that sense.
If a word-count is enacted, I think the aforementioned idea of 5k for Slam and 10k for PPV makes sense. I usually hover around 6-8k for Slam and 10k for individual PPV-RPs but I think cutting down is entirely manageable. 5k words in a standard novel with say 300-350 words per page is like 14-15 pages. If you do the math, that means Seth has to read at minimum something like twenty 15-page short stories just for Slam...twice that for PPVs.
To be honest I love writing long RPs...not because I'm trying to decimate my opponent with them, but because I have just really come to enjoy writing for Dune. If no one is reading long promos though, and instead they're kind of rubbing people the wrong way, I'm totally fine with dialing it back a bit. I don't think a drop in quantity has to be synonymous with a drop in quality.
My $.02
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Post by Logan on Jun 7, 2015 16:15:19 GMT -5
Lol fuck off, Gravedigger. It made sense to me, man!
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