Just a promo, before I go... OOC

[Lilith]

0/10 would not read again

[Jeff Purse]

Polar you bruh, so is Omega and Bonnie. And yeah I'm here and there. But some of this is kind of unnecessary. That's where I'll leave this.

[Oblivion]

I disagree... Now, before Bonnie Blue there was Johnny Reb. I had numerous battles, had a great feud, one of my faves. Which includes Polar Phantasm. Brian bro. You have done so much for me here in WCF. You, Marian, Digger, Corey, Price, Greenfever, Seth, Night Rider, even D-Day and yes Lilith helped me.

Now, we didn't always agree, like now... not this way, everyone has a right to their word, but... this? Was this really necessary? It felt like right before a friend's last goodbye, he kicks everyone right in the groin and smile, tells everyone "It's only business, nothing personal." Walks away and never looks back.

[AdamYoung]

[Oblivion]

I guess Seth needs someone to take their place as the Weird resident of WCF... OBLIVION WILL STEP UP WITH PRIDE!!

[Lilith]

May 14, 2016 15:38:04 GMT -5 Oblivion said:

I guess Seth needs someone to take their place as the Weird resident of WCF... OBLIVION WILL STEP UP WITH PRIDE!!

Get in line, old man you'll NEVER out-weird me lol

[Oblivion]

Yea, that's true.

[AdamYoung]

[Jeff Purse]

I'm sure Polar didn't mean any harm though. He isnt a condescending type. Just probably didn't look at it through the eyes of people who decide to stay here.

[Seth]

Hard to say. I PMd him a few days ago and he didn't dignify it with a response so... who knows! Haha.

Doesn't matter, I'll always love Polar no matter what <3 im still waiting for the wrestling sitcom, damnit.

[Thomas Uriel Bates]

This “roleplay”, written in this particular way, is unnecessary and contrary to what we’re trying to do with our new beginnings. The WCF as it stands is moving forward, and is working to leave the problems of the past in the past. While I do understand Polar, Omega, and Bonnie may need closure, we must rise above this if we are to move forward. I have been here with Omega, and recall both Polar and Bonnie in mentions from others, and from my observations during my time off. I have no issues with them, and wish them the best in their new and future endeavors.

The ”roleplay” posted was more Out of Character than In Character, and while intended as closure, it could have resurged the very issues we are trying to make sure never shows back up here. As such, it has no place here.

Again, I wish Polar, Omega, and Bonnie the best in wherever they may go now.

[Steve Orbit]

I thought it was pretty good!

/Butters

[Sarah Twilight]

The entire thing was a rehash to begin with. The issue was something that occurred like three years ago. Does that change the fact that it was wrong? Absolutely not. But the motives in presenting it were not "white knight" by any means. They were selfish motives to get an outcome that was wanted long before the entire thing took place. We went from a ban on Torture to a three year old issue. The only people who had a right to be pissed to this day about that are Carly and AJ who never received any apology or even closure on the matter. But the people who USED Carly and AJ for selfish reasons and didn't give a fuck about how it affected them should be ashamed. You did this not for them but for yourselves.

And before anyone tries it ... I absolutely did help Carly out in getting truth known, when I was asked to do so. I am not ashamed of that because my motives were simply to help a friend. (Yes, I am still friends with Carly and AJ) ... they deserved that much after they were dragged into this because other people have bullshit butthurt problems over IC decisions they don't like and decided to open old wounds for other people to attempt to accomplish that.


But the fact remains that the people who have chosen to walk away were going to do so anyhow and had this mindset before anything was taken up on these boards. Seth isn't going to, and doesn't need to acquiesce to anyone's demands. WCF has worked just fine how it has always been. Those of you who left, went for greener pastures which is what you wanted. So there is no need to post here or log on here just to continue to stir up shit. If you don't want to be here, then don't be here. Stay where you have chosen to be and don't make this place your concern. Your opinions were already given before and that was that. They aren't needed now. Those of us who have chosen to stay here are not going to change our minds because you continue to try and bring shit here. The only people who look bad are you by doing it.

You staged a coup, it didn't work out how you wanted so go be happy in whatever place you guys have made to move on to. I'm just wondering who will be your scapegoat for blame when you end up with the same drama that will undoubtedly follow you as your continuing to be here to attempt to create drama shows us all with whom drama lies.

Logan is an asshole for what he did, we can all agree on that. But he was also your scapegoat for your own selfishness. You wanted WCF to change, it did not. You have your own fed how you want it, stay there. Goodbye.

[Jayson Price]

May 14, 2016 22:17:39 GMT -5 Sarah Twilight said:

You wanted WCF to change, it did not.

And that right there is the problem. You want to call me selfish for what I did? You think I wanted to take what I did here over the last 7 years of my life and flush it down the toilet? You think I was looking to have Lerch turn around and end a 7 year long friendship without so much as a fucking text message? Change needed to fucking happen and it needed to be in the form of the sex offender getting permabanned but it didn't happen. Why did the first offense keep getting brought up? Because he got banned for it. Where was the ban for the second offense? Not a fucking thing happened until Rod popped up with that screenshot and showed Logan making Seth look like a moron. The second we had a message from Rod stating what happened, that should have been it. He already had strike one on his record and as a repeat offender there didn't need to be a discussion about what to do. He knew it was wrong, he knew he could get suspended, but he pulled that shit again. But he fucking escaped anything right off the bat because once again the entire Admin team was told not to do anything.

And that right there, that was another problem. Far too often the Admin team, no matter how right we were, were ignored and shut down. I've seen the posts about how shit went downhill because the Admins never did their job. Fuck you, we did our jobs. But nothing ever got handled because we were handcuffed by Seth. It's kind of hard to do your job when the boss won't let you do them. All of you thinking that if you get put as an Admin are going to be able to "change shit for the better" right away, good luck. You're going to get your ideas shut down, you're going to get told that you can't suspend anyone because what they did wasn't "that bad" and you're going to be relegated to sending out a lot virtual finger wags and "you know better" messages.

This place needed a shake up and a lot of people needed their eyes opened to the issues. You think you know everything and you make accusations of selfishness, but the fact is you don't know jack shit. I brought in Carly because Logan was still to this day calling her a liar for what happened in the past and telling the same story he tried telling then. You want to give me shit for letting her tell the REAL story on the same stage, but it was the right call because his ass wasn't getting punished by Seth and he needed put in his place.

[Deleted]

Price, you obviously have a problem with the WCF. As do several other people who have left.

I understand that Polar and others have issues with what has transpired here, but they've pretty much left and have not felt the urge to bring up any of this until now. If this is a closure thing, they had it. That's the end of that.

But if you want to come on here and continue to trash the WCF/Seth, who has put you on top, done stuff with you OO, but because Seth does not agree with you and others? That is your prerogative, but go do it at the other fed that you left this place behind for. We're trying to move along, and if you don't like it, we've got a resounding "we don't give a fuck what you like" to say about it. About 20+ people here can say that, because we stuck by WCF while you and several others left because you don't like how this place is running. That was your choice, not ours.

Go to your new fed and leave us to what we do here.

[Sarah Twilight]

I'm not going top delete what I posted earlier, because fuck that there's no need. What I will say is this ... from what I can see and what all the new information I have tells me is that Logan was banned until yesterday, yet he was online with an alternate character on Tuesday which is circumventing a ban. I got banned for 6 months for circumventing a ban I didn't even know I had as I logged on normally and made no effort to hide who I was. Had no idea I was even banned at all considering this happened over a year after I left and all posts indicated I was NOT banned for not revealing who I was. Rod (Lilith) also faced a 6 month ban for circumventing as have others.

So now this very much so bothers me. I can get and accept as short ban based on something that occurred 3 years ago, but circumventing happened now ... this week. That bothers me. I think I need to reconsider being active right now. I am not gonna quit, but I really truly need to think about this before I put myself active. 6 months vs nothing isn't cool to me.

[Seth]

Polar messaged me on Facebook so he's cool in my book. No need for anyone to get too upset or making any kind of deal about it!
Let's all just chill.

[Thomas Uriel Bates]

Seth, can we lock, or even delete this thread? There's no need to continue. Polar, Omega, and Bonnie had their closure, and now we should move on.

We're supposed to have new beginnings, so let's have them.

[Seth]

Oh wait, I didn't read everything.

For the record, when you're banned you're allowed to view the board, just not post. So being on the board as an alternate name was fine. He DID post, once, just to say he was still here. All in all nothing malicious there or any real attempt at ban circumventing.

Torture very specifically DID circumvent a ban and I decided to just let it go - even though his was intentionally malicious.

I added to the rules that there's no one size fits all approach to mod/admin stuff and it's true. Goodness.

[Sarah Twilight]

May 14, 2016 23:42:16 GMT -5 Seth said:

Oh wait, I didn't read everything.

For the record, when you're banned you're allowed to view the board, just not post. So being on the board as an alternate name was fine. He DID post, once, just to say he was still here. All in all nothing malicious there or any real attempt at ban circumventing.

Torture very specifically DID circumvent a ban and I decided to just let it go - even though his was intentionally malicious.

I added to the rules that there's no one size fits all approach to mod/admin stuff and it's true. Goodness.

You did say that roll call was good until Sunday though, which that ban would have been up beforehand. So there wasn't really a need to circumvent a ban to post that when he would have made the roll call deadline anyhow.

And as I said, when I got the boot for circumventing, I was never even aware I was banned so how was I circumventing? You can't circumvent a ban you don't even know you have. No one ever informed me I was banned, yet I got a punishment for circumventing it. That's my point, malicious or not, you said roll call by Sunday, he could have done so without circumventing so where is the excuse to do so before and circumvent to do it?