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Post by Seth on May 14, 2016 23:52:45 GMT -5
You wanted WCF to change, it did not. And that right there is the problem. You want to call me selfish for what I did? You think I wanted to take what I did here over the last 7 years of my life and flush it down the toilet? You think I was looking to have Lerch turn around and end a 7 year long friendship without so much as a fucking text message? Change needed to fucking happen and it needed to be in the form of the sex offender getting permabanned but it didn't happen. Why did the first offense keep getting brought up? Because he got banned for it. Where was the ban for the second offense? Not a fucking thing happened until Rod popped up with that screenshot and showed Logan making Seth look like a moron. The second we had a message from Rod stating what happened, that should have been it. He already had strike one on his record and as a repeat offender there didn't need to be a discussion about what to do. He knew it was wrong, he knew he could get suspended, but he pulled that shit again. But he fucking escaped anything right off the bat because once again the entire Admin team was told not to do anything. And that right there, that was another problem. Far too often the Admin team, no matter how right we were, were ignored and shut down. I've seen the posts about how shit went downhill because the Admins never did their job. Fuck you, we did our jobs. But nothing ever got handled because we were handcuffed by Seth. It's kind of hard to do your job when the boss won't let you do them. All of you thinking that if you get put as an Admin are going to be able to "change shit for the better" right away, good luck. You're going to get your ideas shut down, you're going to get told that you can't suspend anyone because what they did wasn't "that bad" and you're going to be relegated to sending out a lot virtual finger wags and "you know better" messages. This place needed a shake up and a lot of people needed their eyes opened to the issues. You think you know everything and you make accusations of selfishness, but the fact is you don't know jack shit. I brought in Carly because Logan was still to this day calling her a liar for what happened in the past and telling the same story he tried telling then. You want to give me shit for letting her tell the REAL story on the same stage, but it was the right call because his ass wasn't getting punished by Seth and he needed put in his place. Why are you even here, man? You did your damage. I have no interest in arguing with you again but you're very much overstating how much I handcuffed the admin team. You're right that things aren't going to change about banning people or whatever, and Id tell any admins that going in. My goal isn't to ban people except as an absolute necessity. That was always my goal, and the fact we DID do so many bans illustrates how much weight I gave the admins and how much I let them influence me. Sooo yeah. You're welcome to hang out here but NOT if its just to start trouble. I don't get it. |
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Post by Seth on May 14, 2016 23:57:13 GMT -5
Oh wait, I didn't read everything. For the record, when you're banned you're allowed to view the board, just not post. So being on the board as an alternate name was fine. He DID post, once, just to say he was still here. All in all nothing malicious there or any real attempt at ban circumventing. Torture very specifically DID circumvent a ban and I decided to just let it go - even though his was intentionally malicious. I added to the rules that there's no one size fits all approach to mod/admin stuff and it's true. Goodness. You did say that roll call was good until Sunday though, which that ban would have been up beforehand. So there wasn't really a need to circumvent a ban to post that when he would have made the roll call deadline anyhow. And as I said, when I got the boot for circumventing, I was never even aware I was banned so how was I circumventing? You can't circumvent a ban you don't even know you have. No one ever informed me I was banned, yet I got a punishment for circumventing it. That's my point, malicious or not, you said roll call by Sunday, he could have done so without circumventing so where is the excuse to do so before and circumvent to do it? I don't remember the situation exactly but maybe I was wrong for banning you for the circumvention. Quite frankly it could have been a case of me listening to the mods without being 100% behind the decision myself, despite the fact that's apparently something I never did! So.. sorry, I guess? I can't really change the past, and I don't see this as something worth making drama over. It's nothing. I'm human, and as much as I'll try to be consistent, decisions that are years apart with very different circumstances may not have the same outcomes. |
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on May 15, 2016 0:05:04 GMT -5
Everyone needs to remember one very important fact about the WCF; it’s Seth’s fed. Though we are all putting time and effort into the WCF, it is still his. He started this place, he runs this place, and he puts everything into it. He’s human, he’s going to make mistakes. It looks like he’s very much willing to give people a second, third, and millionth chance even when they clearly don’t deserve it, but that’s his decision to make.
I did apply for a moderator position in the reopened WCF, and I am still willing to take on that role. Do I want Seth to listen to everything I have to say? Absolutely, but the fact remains that this is still his place. I don’t have to like what he does, but if I don’t like something he does enough I can leave. There’s no need to draw things out and continue to make things uneasy for others that choose to stay.
Now things were done, on both sides, that shouldn’t have been done. Feelings were hurt, and friendships quite frankly, have been lost. Will the hurt go away right this moment? No, it won’t. However, we are setting forth on a path to start fresh here, and that is what we should do. Let us leave everything, and I do mean everything, that was done in the past, in the past. Let us move forward and rebuild the WCF, make new friendships, and perhaps given time, rekindle old friendships.
Let us stop now with the tension, and let us move forward.
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Post by Lilith on May 15, 2016 0:05:47 GMT -5
Whilst you're still doing the whole apologising for things thing, Seth... can you apologise for the lack of ice cream in the WCF cafeteria?! I mean what the hell are you trying to pull here?!
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Post by Jayson Price on May 15, 2016 0:06:54 GMT -5
Why are you even here, man? You did your damage. Blaming me for the damage done here says everything about the situation. I wasn't the problem in the beginning of all this. I didn't tell people they had to go anywhere. I just put the entire story out there so that people could be given the facts before they made a decision. I already said this to Twilight privately to clear the air with her, but I didn't start up any coup and get people to leave. People were already talking about going, some like Gable were already gone, and this talk was going on before Rod posted that screenshot. Hell I only decided to leave when you called me out for bringing Carly into the situation, which was utter horseshit because you were questioning my intentions. You tried to make me sound like I was bringing her in because all I wanted to do was sway public opinion about Logan. A: Public opinion was already at an all time low and B: Up until that night you were about the only person outside of Corey in WCF that I could say actually knew me. For fucks sake, we hung out outside of WCF and you even introduced me to your girlfriend. I was the guy that you put in charge of Slam when you and said girlfriend were having all kinds of personal problems and you didn't trust anyone else with the company. So for you to suddenly call me out like that was a bit insulting and it pissed me the fuck off. My reasons had always been clear and I only brought her in when Logan was spouting off lies about her, which is fucked. |
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on May 15, 2016 0:07:14 GMT -5
Whilst you're still doing the whole apologising for things thing, Seth... can you apologise for the lack of ice cream in the WCF cafeteria?! I mean what the hell are you trying to pull here?! Um... we don't have ice cream in the WCF cafeteria... Who did we leave alone in the cafeteria? Don't eat the "ice cream", or the cake, or the anything really. |
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Post by Seth on May 15, 2016 0:08:12 GMT -5
I'm done apologizing, I'm off to shifting the blame to others. It was the admin team that forced me to ban ice cream! But now, finally, ice cream can come back!
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on May 15, 2016 0:11:08 GMT -5
I'm done apologizing, I'm off to shifting the blame to others. It was the admin team that forced me to ban ice cream! But now, finally, ice cream can come back! Seth, the Ice Cream Truck hasn't made the delivery yet. That's NOT ice cream... |
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Post by Seth on May 15, 2016 0:15:42 GMT -5
Why are you even here, man? You did your damage. Blaming me for the damage done here says everything about the situation. I wasn't the problem in the beginning of all this. I didn't tell people they had to go anywhere. I just put the entire story out there so that people could be given the facts before they made a decision. I already said this to Twilight privately to clear the air with her, but I didn't start up any coup and get people to leave. People were already talking about going, some like Gable were already gone, and this talk was going on before Rod posted that screenshot. Hell I only decided to leave when you called me out for bringing Carly into the situation, which was utter horseshit because you were questioning my intentions. You tried to make me sound like I was bringing her in because all I wanted to do was sway public opinion about Logan. A: Public opinion was already at an all time low and B: Up until that night you were about the only person outside of Corey in WCF that I could say actually knew me. For fucks sake, we hung out outside of WCF and you even introduced me to your girlfriend. I was the guy that you put in charge of Slam when you and said girlfriend were having all kinds of personal problems and you didn't trust anyone else with the company. So for you to suddenly call me out like that was a bit insulting and it pissed me the fuck off. My reasons had always been clear and I only brought her in when Logan was spouting off lies about her, which is fucked. I get that we had a lot more problems than Logan. I don't think people left 100% because of him. And I'll openly admit that many of those problems may have been my fault - a lot of the things I could have done better haven't even been talked about because everyone is still so uppity about Logan. But you started the "Torture got banned and Logan didn't WTF" thread that started everything without a single person, yourself or anyone else, bothering to ask me what was up with it. It's really the only thing that sticks in my side with any of this is that no one expressed ANY unhappiness to me whatsoever - besides the admins that left of course. Its really water under the bridge and I have no ill will towards anyone for that, but as the dude that started everything, and as someone Id have expected more from.. yeah. Even Flashs thread I thought was an honest attempt at working stuff out!, which was cool with me and I thought I'd have a legit chance at clearing stuff up. All you were intent on doing was causing trouble from the start. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 0:16:24 GMT -5
I'm done apologizing, I'm off to shifting the blame to others. It was the admin team that forced me to ban ice cream! But now, finally, ice cream can come back! Seth, the Ice Cream Truck hasn't made the delivery yet. That's NOT ice cream... Ssssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhh....... |
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Post by Seth on May 15, 2016 0:19:55 GMT -5
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Post by Jayson Price on May 15, 2016 0:35:03 GMT -5
but as the dude that started everything, and as someone Id have expected more from.. yeah. All you were intent on doing was causing trouble from the start. And the fact that it was me, one of the few people you'd ever trust to run this place when you had to leave for whatever reason, one of the people you'd let hang out with you and your girlfriend, hell, one of the people that fucking genuinely cared enough about you and this place to put as much work into it as I did despite having the option of leading a life outside of it for all these years... Despite all of that, you seriously still think I wanted this result? That I genuinely only wanted to start trouble? All the fucking nights we spent talking about shit besides WCF, the friendship that you and I built, you knew me better than anyone outside of Corey. You knew I wasn't the troublemaking type. I had issues with Torture for years and I harbored some resentment about him that we eventually squashed. But outside of you having to talk me down after some posts I made about Torture, what trouble have I caused in 7 years. What bans did you level on me? You thought enough of me to make me an Admin for how many years? Hell you even brought me back on as an Admin on several different occassions after I left this place for whatever reasons I had. You and I had trust in each other, so why you think I'd suddenly pull a 180 and start up all kinds of shit just for the sake of watching this place burn is beyond me. I don't know what the fuck is going on with you anymore man, the fact you seem to have this idea in your head that I had an agenda to bring WCF down is so ridiculous that I don't know what to think. You've put 16 years into this place and it's your baby, it's your prized possession, I get that. But I invested 7 god damn years of my life into this place as well and always considered it to be like a home. I started e-fedding here, I made so many new friends here, I legitimately cared about this place. Bringing it down was never my intention, it was merely a result of doing what I and so many others felt was right. |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2016 0:39:45 GMT -5
Everyone needs to remember one very important fact about the WCF; it’s Seth’s fed. Though we are all putting time and effort into the WCF, it is still his. He started this place, he runs this place, and he puts everything into it. He’s human, he’s going to make mistakes. It looks like he’s very much willing to give people a second, third, and millionth chance even when they clearly don’t deserve it, but that’s his decision to make. I did apply for a moderator position in the reopened WCF, and I am still willing to take on that role. Do I want Seth to listen to everything I have to say? Absolutely, but the fact remains that this is still his place. I don’t have to like what he does, but if I don’t like something he does enough I can leave. There’s no need to draw things out and continue to make things uneasy for others that choose to stay. Now things were done, on both sides, that shouldn’t have been done. Feelings were hurt, and friendships quite frankly, have been lost. Will the hurt go away right this moment? No, it won’t. However, we are setting forth on a path to start fresh here, and that is what we should do. Let us leave everything, and I do mean everything, that was done in the past, in the past. Let us move forward and rebuild the WCF, make new friendships, and perhaps given time, rekindle old friendships. Let us stop now with the tension, and let us move forward. I agree with this on several points. It is Seth's fed, and we're all in this world by choice. Some people were allowed to have some input on what needed to be done in certain instances, but that doesn't mean that Seth has to listen to any of it whatsoever. Like if Logan burned me the way that he did Seth, he'd probably still be banned, but that is Seth's decision to stick by a guy he's known longer than most of us combined. I don't agree with it, because its a decision based on emotion, but Seth gets to make that decision, not you, me, or anyone else. (This is a post to everyone in general, not to a specific person.) I also applied for a moderator/admin position, based on some of my personal feelings towards some of the admins and how they operated, in general. Seth is about giving people multiple chances, but the Admins seemed not so inclined. I've lived and worked in a world where personal feelings are left at the door when entering certain environments. I can do the same here, considering I've worked with some people who nobody else would bother to work with (like that raYne person)... But the bottom line is that we wanted a fresh start. ALL OF US THAT STAYED IN THE WCF want the fresh start. If people who left want to come in and trash this place, then that REALLY shows just how much you all supposedly like/care about Seth and the WCF. It also shows your maturity level, and many of us who stayed just don't want to deal with that shit anymore. Bottom line, if you don't have anything nice to say at all, its probably best to keep it to yourself. Or go bitch about it wherever the hell you go next. But it has NO PLACE HERE ANYMORE. Now can we move forward? Or does the Troll Patrol need to be the first people I'd recommend for banning? |
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Post by Mikey eXtreme on May 15, 2016 0:43:32 GMT -5
I feel like this convo is more of a PM thing.
Unless it ends in hugging.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on May 15, 2016 0:44:29 GMT -5
I have no mod powers here, but can we consider this thread locked now?
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Post by Lilith on May 15, 2016 0:47:16 GMT -5
The above three people should be mods ^^^^
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Post by Seth on May 15, 2016 0:54:16 GMT -5
I personally didn't insinuate your goal was to bring WCF down or anything - I feel naive for saying so but I really hadn't thought that was anyone's goal. It's clear to me there's a lot of stuff I must have been ignorant of for things to go down like this, so I don't know.
But you had a simple choice. You could post a thread which any reasonable person would assume would start a shitshow, and you're smart enough to have an idea what would go down, or you could have talked to me instead. You made your choice. Obviously if that thread DIDNT result in half the fed leaving and if Flashs thread would have ended up productive, I probably couldn't care less about your original post if things had turned out different.
Yes, I considered you a friend and trusted you to run WCF and everything and all of what you said was true. All of that made what I felt like was an incredibly poor decision at best - betrayal at worst - all the more striking.
Im going to bed and it's really disappointing Polar's sill roleplay had to become this discussion. Sarah, feel free to PM me about things if you want! Price - we're both super stubborn and I doubt either of us are going to change our perceptions on things any time soon, so at the very least, while I'm trying to move on here, I'm asking you kindly not to keep replying and continuing on. PM me if you want but this is uncalled for.
Everyone not involved in this, I've instructed the cafeteria workers to give extra helpings of ice cream free of charge, once the ice cream arrives!
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Post by Logan on May 15, 2016 0:55:53 GMT -5
I wanted to hold off on this. Felt the time was too tender to bring it up as it may reignite a fire we didn't need. But since we have one going anyway -
I am truly sorry. Believe it or not. I am. Do I think Carly had an overreaction that led me to get banned three years ago? Yes. However from that I grew resentment. For that resentment of her I am sincerely apologetic. If I had maybe exposed myself to one of her children? Then yeah, take me to the gallows. I'm not a sexual deviant and would never do anything as sickening as that.
Carly was mad at me, I think, because my resentment of being banned over it grew to lies. Either way, I truly am sorry.
I'm also apologetic to Rod. I would have never sent his old lady a random picture of a dick if I didn't think we were friends that were ribbing each other. His girlfriend found it humorous. I personally do not understand the negativity coming from Jayson or anyone else really, but I am sorry if it caused any ill feelings.
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Post by Seth on May 15, 2016 0:58:55 GMT -5
I'm not locking this basically because I don't want to be accused of shutting down criticism or whatever. The problem is that then I'm allowing drama but.. Another unpopular opinion but sometimes it's fine to let things out in the open just a little bit.
To those of you saying "it's Seths fed and what he says goes!" I appreciate it!, but just to be clear, that never means I don't want criticism or push back or whatever based on decisions. That's perfectly fine! I may be an evil dictator, but at least let me be an evil dictator that pretends to listen. (Just kidding about the pretending part)
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Post by Torture on May 15, 2016 0:58:56 GMT -5
Oh wait, I didn't read everything. For the record, when you're banned you're allowed to view the board, just not post. So being on the board as an alternate name was fine. He DID post, once, just to say he was still here. All in all nothing malicious there or any real attempt at ban circumventing. Torture very specifically DID circumvent a ban and I decided to just let it go - even though his was intentionally malicious. I added to the rules that there's no one size fits all approach to mod/admin stuff and it's true. Goodness. When I was banned, I wasnt allowed to see the boards from my Tablet, Laptop, Phones, or PC. Get the fuck outta here with dem lies, son. |
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