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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 14:19:24 GMT -5
So I have a big issue with how things have been on the Twitter board not only as of late but in general. I'm not saying any of this as an administrator or anything. I'm saying this as a member of the roster. I'm also not directing this towards any one person in particular so I don't want anyone angrily responding that I could have PMed them because this applies to a big range of people.
It's one thing if people want to talk shit to each other, rag on each other about losing matches or not defending titles or walking out on tag team partners. All that is fine, but there's something going on that I'm not enjoying seeing on the screen: gay jokes.
They're seriously getting a little fucking old and if you look in the top threads on the twitter board, I wouldn't be surprised if at least 20 of them (gay jokes) just in the last couple of weeks were found there.
As far as I know no one in WCF is gay, but honestly that wouldn't and shouldn't matter. We typically don't act racist in our promos, or on-air segments or on the Twitter board because we don't want to risk offending anyone who is a different race from whoever made the comment(s). Why should it be any different in this example?
I know that wrestling has long had those kind of jokes associated with it and groups like DX used them indiscriminately, but I don't see the need for them here in WCF. There's so many people on the roster who talk about how this is their home and how much they love it here and all that. Me personally, the extremes people go to on the Twitter board at times is a bit too much at times.
People act one way on the Twitter boards and then another way entirely in their promos or on episodes of Slam or on the monthly PPVs and I'm slowly starting to not like the Twitter boards because of it. WWE and TNA wrestlers would not be caught dead saying half the shit that WCF wrestlers say on their twitter accounts. It is slowly killing my interest in WCF as well. I don't want to have to start ignoring the twitter boards because I absolutely love the hell out of some of the shit you guys put on there and the things people do with it.
People may disagree. People may think I'm overreacting, but I really don't care if people think either one of those things. I've put a lot into this fed and I don't want to get to the point to where I'm like "fuck it, I'm out". Not with something I've been a part of on-and-off for a decade.
It's honestly not that hard to find better ways to talk shit to people in-character.
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Post by Tim on Dec 8, 2012 14:33:24 GMT -5
It's a big deal in my other e-fed apparently. Some user got the banhammer after we realized that he was talking like a homophobic. The cruel irony was that there was literally a gay couple, out of character. I actually feel sorry for them. As for the homophobe, he'd better learn his lesson.
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Post by Speede on Dec 8, 2012 15:12:03 GMT -5
I agree with you on this one, GD. I mean, I'm not gay, but you're right when you say that people take it way too far at times, and for the most part lately, I have been ignoring the twitter boards except for the occasional post in an attempt to hype BK/Speede. It's just nuts, and if I've offended anyone with anything I've said on the Twitter boards at any point, I'm sorry; I just feel that twitter boards are taking things too far and I have been ignoring them 90% of the time now.
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Post by Jonny Fly on Dec 8, 2012 15:26:59 GMT -5
They're seriously getting a little fucking old and if you look in the top threads on the twitter board, I wouldn't be surprised if at least 20 of them (gay jokes) just in the last couple of weeks were found there. Everything you said is fine, but I'm not sure this is a rampant issue this sentence seems to suggest. You're just talking about a few posts today. The 'boyfriend' stuff is typical banter about tag-team partners that has been in every e-fed forever. You can think of it as tasteless, but a lot of trash talking can be considered tasteless. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 15:42:38 GMT -5
It's happened far more than just today. It's been happening for a while and by multiple people. I have never seen it in another e-fed before except on extremely rare occasions. I don't think looking at it as not a big deal here just because it's common in other feds for tag teams to be associated like that is such a great idea. I stated in my original post it wasn't due to things just as of late.
What's wrong with finding other ways to talk trash? I mean if most trash talking is tasteless as is making gay jokes, then let's just start being racist.
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Post by Jonny Fly on Dec 8, 2012 15:49:21 GMT -5
It's happened far more than just today. It's been happening for a while and by multiple people. I have never seen it in another e-fed before except on extremely rare occasions. I don't think looking at it as not a big deal here just because it's common in other feds for tag teams to be associated like that is such a great idea. I stated in my original post it wasn't due to things just as of late. What's wrong with finding other ways to talk trash? I mean if most trash talking is tasteless as is making gay jokes, then let's just start being racist. Don't misunderstand me as disagreeing with you that we can do without those comments. Unless you can show me differently, I haven't made any myself. As I posted, plain and simply, I just don't see this as a common problem. It's been a couple of in-character Synn/Gravedigger comments lately. I don't see a mass amount of 'gay' subject material coming from everyone around here, or at least any amount more than normal. I've reached out to Synn through PM to see if I'm just missing something here. I could be off-base. Also, yes, there have been racist comments made on the in-character boards. Nobody got too bent out of shape about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 16:22:29 GMT -5
It's more common on the twitter boards than you think, it's been more than a couple of times about Gravedigger/Synn lately and they haven't been the only targets of gay jokes.
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Post by Jonny Fly on Dec 8, 2012 16:27:41 GMT -5
It's more common on the twitter boards than you think, it's been more than a couple of times about Gravedigger/Synn lately and they haven't been the only targets of gay jokes. While Fly-Digger may be rivals in-character, I respect your opinion. Two rational people can disagree. I think on my end, continuing this conversation diminishes your original points, which I don't mean to do. They have merit. I'll say that if anyone feels things are taken too far on the Twitter board, don't be afraid to reach out to me and we can talk about it. They should only be for fun banter and for character development. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 16:41:40 GMT -5
Seven Point Plan.
But in all seriousness, there have been posts on the Internet Board that have made me uncomfortable, not just gay slurs, but there have been racist and sexist ones as well. And frequently there seem to be instances where the "e-kayfabe" line has been crossed. I've been guilty of this.
I don't know if anything can be done to prevent these kinds of things from happening. This is a role playing exercise after all, and if someone wants to play a character that uses "gay" as an insult, I don't think that's any worse than having him be a serial killer or gangster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 16:52:51 GMT -5
Tag team partners getting the gay jokes is as common as the sexist ones I get. It's really not that big of a deal. No one is making personal OOC comments to anyone, it's in character trash talk toward another character. I see the sexist comments all the time, I see racist comments all the time and I see gay comments all the time in character. Trash talk is trash talk, whatever that may be as long as it's in character. At least that's how I see it. *shrug*
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Post by Jonny Fly on Dec 8, 2012 16:55:13 GMT -5
It's true, probably 20% of Fly stuff said could be considered sexist. When feuding with Twilight it was more like 90%.
That's how the character has always been though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 17:00:26 GMT -5
It's true, probably 20% of Fly stuff said could be considered sexist. When feuding with Twilight it was more like 90%. That's how the character has always been though. Yeah, but that didn't bother me. It's expected in this game. |
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Post by Kale Windsor on Dec 8, 2012 17:11:28 GMT -5
Personally I have had to deal with those comments aimed at Kale. I find it very offensive. I get that there will be some banter of this with for example someone calling another person's tag partner their "boyfriend" but it gets out of control very fast. I guarantee that if someone called another person on the forum a n****r even if it was in character that the board would explode with everyone calling for "justice", yet it seems fine by all means to call another gay, faggot, cocksucker and so forth.
I am a member of the gay-straight alliance, I find this issue to be horrible and the fact that it's allowed to go on and as far as it has in the past ridiculous. Something seriously needs to be done about this. I don't care if its a gay joke, a sexist joke or any other derogatory joke, I don't care if it's in character or not. It should NOT be tolerated here.
This is of course just my two cents and people can take it or leave it, but I agree with Digger it's out of control and something needs to be done.
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Post by Jeff Purse on Dec 8, 2012 17:18:02 GMT -5
I probably am someone who is doing this, as I always have Jeff say something about Gravedigger and Synn being in a relationship. Or one time I had him put the faces of Gravedigger and...that one guy whose name I can't remember on Ross and Rachel from friends.
But I have always tried to make sure I didn't 'cross the line' which is very thin here. All things considered half of the shit on the Twitter boards are over the top no matter what it is. But I don't think I have seen anything that really 'crosses the line' in MY opinion.
And I am an advocate of gay rights. I once was quoted, after not yelling at someone for calling me gay, as saying something like "No I am not offended, being gay isn't bad" or something like that. To be fair I stole it from a movie...but...
All I am saying is that in my opinion I haven't seen anything I would say crossed the line...but the fact is if you stop being able to say one thing, then you can't say anything. Then this fed sucks. Because this person can't make gay jokes, this person can't make sexist jokes, this person can't make these jokes....well then you just have a bunch of PC wrestlers...and thats boring.
Everyone here should have the understanding that anything said IC is not to be taken seriously. Sometimes it can get to you, but nobody means any harm by any of it.
Thats my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 17:19:26 GMT -5
I think the point really is that obviously a line has been crossed with a few people. It doesn't matter how often, it should be a problem it happened in the first place. I am just saying if someone feels uncomfortable...then we shouldn't do it.Edit: Not censoring wise, just be considerate
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Post by Jonny Fly on Dec 8, 2012 17:20:55 GMT -5
Gay comments, sexist comments, and racial comments are...out of control here? For the life of me, I just can't see it.
I'm all for having a line drawn on what is appropriate and what is not, but to say that NONE of that can happen in-character...you're telling multiple people here they need to change their character because of how you feel on an issue. Some people need to realize not to cross the lines (and I can include myself in that), and others need to realize this is a wrestling e-fed and that stuff is going to exist.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 17:23:01 GMT -5
Gay comments, sexist comments, and racial comments are...out of control here? For the life of me, I just can't see it. I'm all for having a line drawn on what is appropriate and what is not, but to say that NONE of that can happen in-character...you're telling multiple people here they need to change their character because of how you feel on an issue. Some people need to realize not to cross the lines (and I can include myself in that), and others need to realize this is a wrestling e-fed and that stuff is going to exist. As I edited in my last post. I am saying we should be more considerate. Not tell everybody what they can't say |
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Post by Jeff Purse on Dec 8, 2012 17:25:09 GMT -5
I mean I can point out a number of things that could be considered over the line, but why?
It looks like to me someone got upset about something, and it should have been handled with Seth in private.
I don't honestly Gravedigger see the big deal here. I understand if there was something said to that person and they kept going, or if someone came out with some really big hatred on gay people in general, but I honestly don't see it.
And I am not trying to pick a fight or argue or anything, I just think that this is an overreaction. Honestly. Thats my opinion, and I am entitled to it just as you are yours.
I enjoy the Twitter board and don't want to see it shut done over this, but you can't just say that ONE thing is not ok to talk about...thats like...the basis of war right there. South Park did an episode on it.
Because the truth is there have been things said in the twitter board, in promos and what not that would usually offend the fuck out of me...but its a game. Its a character. Its not real. ANd I don't personally see such an OUTRAGE of gay bashing that this is an issue.
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Post by Jonny Fly on Dec 8, 2012 17:25:50 GMT -5
Gay comments, sexist comments, and racial comments are...out of control here? For the life of me, I just can't see it. I'm all for having a line drawn on what is appropriate and what is not, but to say that NONE of that can happen in-character...you're telling multiple people here they need to change their character because of how you feel on an issue. Some people need to realize not to cross the lines (and I can include myself in that), and others need to realize this is a wrestling e-fed and that stuff is going to exist. As I edited in my last post. I am saying we should be more considerate. Not tell everybody what they can't say My response was more directed toward Kale. She's essentially saying Steve Orbit can't be a pimp, etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2012 17:36:26 GMT -5
Okay, here is how I personally see it. No peace filter.
Yes, it can be over the top and it can get to the point of pushing buttons, but the gay thing never bothered me personally. Waylon calls me gay all the time and I don't care. And if anyone would declare "it's because you're not gay". Well, my opinion wouldn't change if I was.
I have something called Asperger syndrome. But I don't care if people say retarded. Hell, I call shit retarded all the time. I accepted that it is just a word. But I also know not everyone thinks like me. I suggest that those who don't like it, skip over it or avoid the people who you think abuse it. And to the opposition, just try to stick to other stuff if you can. Pull it out for extra heat, but don't make it often. Insults only work if they aren't desensitized anyways.
Heels will be Heels. But only Italian tourists talk at a holocaust camp. (Mad heat.)
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