Twitter boards

[Steve Orbit]

I have seen a lot of stuff thats been either borderline or outright racist, and to me its not about it being offensive, its just CHEAP. its the lowest and most uncreative form of insult. its just boring and if it actually does offend anyone, even one person, thats even worse. I would think people would know better...

[Steve Orbit]

Also as a pimp character, I realize some of the stuff I do can potentially offend people, but I feel like I've developed orbit to the point where he is much deeper than a caricature pimp. He's a pimp for a reason, because of his life, not because I want to write about exploiting women. I hope people have seen that and if I have ever offended anyone I'm sorry. Also I am married and have an 8 month old daughter and 16 year old step daughter... So yeah

[Deleted]

That's why my last response was so short Fly, I knew you weren't REALLY arguing with me, just with certain minor parts of what I said or I would have responded with more words.

Dec 8, 2012 17:18:02 GMT -5 Jeff Purse said:

I probably am someone who is doing this, as I always have Jeff say something about Gravedigger and Synn being in a relationship. Or one time I had him put the faces of Gravedigger and...that one guy whose name I can't remember on Ross and Rachel from friends.

But I have always tried to make sure I didn't 'cross the line' which is very thin here. All things considered half of the shit on the Twitter boards are over the top no matter what it is. But I don't think I have seen anything that really 'crosses the line' in MY opinion.

How is calling people gay in a derogatory fashion not bad?

All I am saying is that in my opinion I haven't seen anything I would say crossed the line...but the fact is if you stop being able to say one thing, then you can't say anything. Then this fed sucks. Because this person can't make gay jokes, this person can't make sexist jokes, this person can't make these jokes....well then you just have a bunch of PC wrestlers...and thats boring.

So are WWE promos and backstage segments boring because they don't have racist or gay jokes? Their wrestlers get in trouble for even doing those kinds of jokes on Twitter, most of the time they get fired. We've had that happen in the last 12 months on more than one occasion in WWE.

Everyone here should have the understanding that anything said IC is not to be taken seriously. Sometimes it can get to you, but nobody means any harm by any of it.

Yes, but what's the point in saying it? This isn't really about anyone getting offended here, it's more about not doing this in case someone joins the fed that does get offended.

It looks like to me someone got upset about something, and it should have been handled with Seth in private.

When multiple people are doing it pretty often, that's not just something for PMs. I felt like it was something that needed to be addressed. When Twitter trash talk can't go more than a couple of posts without gay jokes in the past few days, it's a little much.

I enjoy the Twitter board and don't want to see it shut done over this, but you can't just say that ONE thing is not ok to talk about...thats like...the basis of war right there.

It's not about not being able to say one thing, it's about derogatory insults that are unnecessary. I know that from time to time things will slip and a racist joke, sexist joke or gay joke might be said.

It's just that this hasn't been some common theme here in WCF over the years. It's also not done in real wrestling. So if WWE doesn't allow it and I'm guessing TNA doesn't, then why should we?

[Jeff Purse]

I just don't see how it went over or crossed a line.

[Terry Roberts]

I think Steve Orbit summed it all up exactly. There are those whom will see it with open eyes and make change, there are those whom will defend their actions no matter what.

I for one have made comments to Kain and Stylez about being goat fuckers, i was wrong, and i apologize.

To use and abuse and then defend and condone such behavior is just cheap and juvenile.

And that is all i have to say about that.

[Speede]

Dec 8, 2012 17:25:50 GMT -5 Jonny Fly said:

Dec 8, 2012 17:23:01 GMT -5 John Gable said:

As I edited in my last post. I am saying we should be more considerate. Not tell everybody what they can't say

My response was more directed toward Kale. She's essentially saying Steve Orbit can't be a pimp, etc.

I agree with this, for the most part; Kale makes a few good points, but you can't ask someone to completely change everything about their character because of it. Honestly, I'm fine with gay jokes, sexual jokes, etc. What REALLY grinds my gears is when people take in-character stuff and start wars over it out-of-character, or when out-of-character stuff is used as the basis of something in-character. I'm not naming any names, but I've had to deal with that recently, and it was frustrating enough that I was about ready to say, "fuck it; I'm done," myself. I hate it when people don't get the line between IC and OOC, and when people deliberately take things from OOC discussions and make them into trash talk and/or jokes IC, it makes me VERY angry. I don't have any problem with gay jokes/that kind of shit (although it got a annoying how frequently they happened when my wrestler's PB happened to be a guy who played a werewolf in a series of movies that were targeted at teenage females)

[Deleted]

There are people who play this game and let it slide down their back, and then there are people who get offended by everything. Same as it is in life. Difference is, you really can't be someone who gets offended easily if you're going to play this particular game. I mean if things need to be off limits because it hurts someone's feelings we might as well not promo anymore. The entire concept of what we do is to ridicule each other. No one came out with anything so reprehensible that it was out of line or crossing any line.

I mean, I saw a thread not long ago where people came down all over KJE over her jokingly complaining about a sexist comment and was emphatically told - "This is an efed, you should know to expect this, you've been here long enough." And everyone agreed that you have to expect those things in efeds. How is this different? What is good for the goose isn't good for the gander?

I think everyone just needs to relax, we're here to have fun after all. Right?

[ColdBlooded]

Okay i know i'm one if not the last person anybody wants to hear from on this subject because I 1.) don't post much there and 2.) well because i am me. but I am going to throw my two cents in anyway.

Digger and his supporters: You make alot of good points. Yes there is a line that we all know is there and just blowing up the line is just wrong in all aspects. Yes, we have all races, sexes and creeds in our fed here and we should respect those ideas, Calling people Gay,fag, homo or whatever is wrong. You don't know if that person is truly that way. Being sexiest and or raciest is just as wrong.

To those who disagree with them: This a game. Why should we be under the same guidelines of WWE, TNA with our twitter broad that is not going on the real twitter site. We have the freedom of speech and we have people fighting for our right do so. People say what they feel in Charter. Yes I went agasint somebody and I took some things not all things but somethings that were OC and used it in an RP and that person came to me pissed. I explained where i got some of the ideas and that person took some time and came back to me later that day and said he was sorry for blowing up on me and that where i got my things were legit. I lost my match but me and that person understood. Digger no one ever wants to quit like you say by going fuck it. but this is a game and it should be fun, if you have a legit gripe against someone PM or IM them and take it them. don't do it on the twitter if it is personal and not storylined.

Thank you for skimming over this post

[The Perfect Ten]

I don't see how people are getting worked up over comments of the sort... if those are going to be banned then all the sexist comments that every female has to deal with week in and week out should be dealt with. It's part of the game. Sure, tone it down, but why not just look the other way also?

[Jeff Purse]

You know, I had this big response typed up and all ready to go...but fuck it. I don't see a point in posting it honestly. I stated my opinion and I stick to it.

I don't appreciate how it was taken apart and scrutinized...but thats cool. I think I am going to hang off of the Twitter and OOC boards for a while though.

[Deleted]

We need to keep a cool head. All opinions should be valued and no one should scrutinize anyone else's opinion (from either side) I think it is time everybody turned and walked away. This comes down to personal opinion and people shouldn't be picked apart for making a note of a problem just as people shouldn't be picked apart for giving the opposing perspective. If you have an opinion, state it. Let's not babble back and forth on the same five points everybody has said over and over and over again. If they didn't get it before, saying the same words won't make them get it. It is a stalemate and nothing is achieved and that only adds to a problem. (A problem being that people might leave because either side which is sad)

[Deleted]

Gotta say, I agree with Digger's opinions on this one. It doesn't come from a moral issue, it comes from the fact that I want as many people as possible to join, and I don't want a potential member to feel uncomfortable because they happen to be gay. Also, gay jokes are embarrassingly unoriginal, and if you can't think of anything better, you don't belong here.

also, going off of Kay's point, I find the sexism to be a bit over the line at times too. It's fine in moderation, but if it's all you can come up with (like some people here), you're not a writer, you're a bully.

[Deleted]

So...sexism is alright in moderation...but saying anything whatsoever that mentions gays is taboo? Sorry but that doesn't make any sense at all. It's either all or nothing. Either you just stop everyone from saying anything 'offensive' or you leave it all alone. Catering to a group of people is ridiculous. No one caters to girls in efeds, we don't get special treatment. Either we toughen up and play the game or we don't play. It's that simple. I don't see how being gay should give you some special treatment in an efed. If you can't separate fantasy and reality why play? Just to bitch about everything that 'offends' you? Seriously.

As I said, the thread with KJE just last week, if women are held to the same standards as the men, then everyone is held to those standards. No special treatment for people who get feelings hurt everytime they don't like having their character made fun of.

[Deleted]

Okay, this conversation is over. There is nothing new being said.

I dare the next poster to give me a fresh view on the subject. If you can't...don't post

[Deleted]

Im not saying gay jokes are totally off limits, but I view them on the same level as sexism. It's not a big deal, unless it's a big deal. My point was that I don't think the sexism has gotten to the same level as the homophobia has here. Also, Im not for telling anyone they cant say something, I just think it's a good idea that people are told when it's going overboard, like it has been.


I guess, say whatever you want, but when we lose a member because they're gay, and no one can seem to come up with anything else, I'll be ready to say I told you so.

[Deleted]

I don't see where it has gone overboard is all I am saying.


If being called 'boyfriends' for coming to the rescue of someone every time they are dissed on is seriously that offensive, then we are in serious trouble. That is in no way homophobic or even anywhere near what actual gay bashing is.

The only reason it is now a big deal, is because people are split on the subject in this thread. No one was doing anything OOC, it was all in character and therefore, we really shouldn't even be having this conversation.

No one's character was used in an RP without permission.

No one was in some bashing war OOC.

So...what is the problem exactly? The only thing I see is the lines of fantasy and reality being blurred, which is really bad. Everyone here are cool people, we all talk almost daily and this is really silly that because people are getting angry about having their character made fun of, we have this big thread. If it was something OOC, I could see why it would be a problem because that would not be ok.

The one point that I do see from Gravedigger is about how everyone was saying it, which I can definitely see would get annoying. But in wrestling, trends start. 'Cena's Lady Parts.' 'Pay Heyman the Walrus' so a lot of people are saying something.

It's not the end of the world, but I do realize it can be frustrating. Asking people to tone that down is not something unreasonable at all. But this whole thing of lets not ever say this, or ever say that is kinda ridiculous. I mean seriously, 90% of anything that happens in wrestling or an efed is offensive material. When did we start forgetting that?

[Deleted]

The point is I'm fucking tired of people hiding behind "It was in character" and using that as an excuse to say whatever they want. I've watched as people have over and over used gay jokes, and it made me wonder how many potential members we've driven away doing it. (btw, using it as an insult IS offensive, because you're implying there's something wrong with being gay, whether you're "gay bashing" or not) Bottom line, say what you will, but don't be surprised that this site is populated mostly by straight, white males. Also, if you're going to use a gay joke, at least make it original. It's gotten to the point where it pisses me off if only for the fact that it's embarrassing to be a member of a site with people who think that's good writing.


I've said my piece. Continue being as unoriginal as your hearts desire.

[tommykain]

This argument. Is gay.

I'm kidding, I'm kidding.

But for real, in some cases South Park cleared this up like two seasons ago. Some people use gay in a different context, just like retarded, or bitch, or any other word that people get in a huff about. I know I was in a twitter thread where I threw out the g word and people were a bit pissy but it was cool, no big worries. But like some of you said, if it gets to a point where its excessive or just plain hurtful and, or completely out of character than yeah it needs to be dealt with.

Now as for sexism, not cool either but like anything else, I think measuring intent is important. Some female characters use the sexual connotation thing as their weapon, so sure, some people may use that weapon to smite them back. But for every dude, every time they wrestle a girl to pull the barefooted. Pregnant, kitchen dweller bit is just gayyyyyy, I mean silly.

Love u guys.

[Deleted]

To Gravedigger and Synn; as far as my role in the twitter boards, I used the 'boyfriends' joke that had been overused as a slight toward GD posting what he did about Phone Booth. I had never seen the movie and had to look it up (well Sarah looked it up anyway lol) I saw the movie was like ten years old and decided to purposefully be unoriginal in my commenting about GD coming to Synn's rescue. It wasn't meant to be anything more or anything less. That is my character being sarcastic as usual. She has always been sarcastic like that.

I know I have seen others use the joke, but I don't know exactly how far this all runs or if there was something going on behind the scenes where certain people were asked to calm down with it. I don't know any of that.

Everyone here is entitled to their opinions. Using gay or sexist or racist jokes is unoriginal and in bad taste. But characters shouldn't have to be Politically Correct. In the same token, having every character just use every offensive thing in the book is just as bad as censoring it all. Not every character has a reason to say things like that and really shouldn't if they normally wouldn't. I think that's about the middle right there. Maybe not, idk but it should be close.

I think every one of us has expressed our feelings on the matter and just to continue to argue it isn't getting us anywhere. We don't need to have the fed be split in anger over something like this. It's not worth it. We are all here to have fun and get away from the stresses of real life. A game is supposed to be fun. We are all friends here. No need for this to continue.

I apologize to GD and Synn for my part in causing them to be upset.

[Steeltoe Joe]

Oh my God... I am just going to say it, people can hate me or they can love me. I am used to both but in an Efed, if something is IN CHARACTER and not done in the OFF CHARACTER BOARDS then dont take offense to it. I dont care if its unoriginal, tasteless or not, IN CHARACTER is IN CHARACTER.

Now if in the OFF CHARACTER board somebody started calling somebody gay or went over the line on sexism I would be all over that and stop it in an instant, but if it is in character then I suggest people pull up their big boy underwear or their big girl panties and deal with it.

In all honesty I know who the one is making the big fuss, but I am stopping here. This person or these individuals need to realize that THIS IS A GAME. Did you guys throw a fit when you run over a hooker in Grand Theft Auto or do you have fun playing the game and beating them up? Come on.