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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Feb 2, 2017 16:13:48 GMT -5
For as much flak as CD, Odin, and – bafflingly – Purse have gotten about being "biased": Matt, you have not been a fair or professional admin. Throughout every conflict, I have been in contact or been contact by Bryan, Curt, Andrew, and Seth to at least get my take on the issue. You are the only one who has never asked any of us for our side of any issue or even just a friendly chat. When you defend one side of an issue while never bothering to get the whole story, that's not providing balance – that's contrarianism. The only time you have contact me or anyone in #BeachKrew was to ask I feel you could beat us up in a segment and put you over. It'S also time you admit that you have culpability in the tension going on right now. Since returning, I have had a number of people who've come to me and told me that they were informed "we were troublemakers coming back to destroy WCF." These people have all named two names: you and Twilight. Twilight has admitted such to me and apologized; when are you? CD has been the one talking to y'all, and since there was a lot of tension, as shown in this message from you, I was fine with letting CD handle it. CD has done a great job presenting your arguments. If you wish for me to message you every time as well, then I will. I contacted y'all to give my character an out. An out that made sense to the story. As Seth mentioned, it helped you more than it helped me. It made y'all seem real, and not just some random group of bad guys that can never be hurt. If you remember, I was willing to work with y'all on the entire story. We ended up going with the parts agreed upon, and dropped everything else. As for the tension going on, y'all are just as much to blame as anyone. You have the clique mentality, and anyone who isn't a friend of yours becomes an outcast. What I feared would happen again, did. Now when y'all first came back, I did what Seth wanted. I put aside personal feelings, and tried to work with everyone. A storyline was invented, which was entirely In Character. Did some try to turn it Out of Character? Absolutely. I also told those people to bring it back to IC, and leave the OOC stuff alone. Will I apologize for trying to help the fed with a storyline? Absolutely not. It was a storyline that got out of hand, because some people, on both sides, cannot separate IC from OOC. The storyline was put to an end, and I had my part to bringing it to an end. For crying out loud, what do you think part of the reason I pulled Bates out of it? I will not apologize just because y'all want to put all of the blame on me.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 2, 2017 16:23:07 GMT -5
From this point, you have told us that both pedophile and cancer jokes are unacceptable despite the fact that you have made both jokes in character. Do not make excuses: admit you are being hypocritical. The moment you admit it and apologize, any of us are willing to accommodate you, but respect is a two way street. You will be treated the way you treat others, and it's time you step back and seriously examine how you treat other members of this federation. **Way to lump everything together. I (ME) made the chemo comments to AY. 100% IC, no bait. Your comment was bait. Thats the difference. AY admited he baited Cash on the IT board. Thats the difference. Your comment was 100% bait. Again, you going against the rules Seth set for us. ....and people tried to say in the other thread "He wasnt talking to J," like anyone actually believed that shit...**
When the hell did I admitt to baiting anyone. I fought fire with fire. ZT wanted to keep up with the cancer crap so I pulled out the 50 cal hand cannon and fired right back with the pedofile remarks. Just so everyone knows and I dont put my real life out like this, I lost my mother this past December to cancer. So if you try to use that trust me I'm firing the cannons and hitting whoever does it hard and strong until I'm banned or make that person leave.
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Post by erikblack on Feb 2, 2017 16:27:38 GMT -5
From this point, you have told us that both pedophile and cancer jokes are unacceptable despite the fact that you have made both jokes in character. Do not make excuses: admit you are being hypocritical. The moment you admit it and apologize, any of us are willing to accommodate you, but respect is a two way street. You will be treated the way you treat others, and it's time you step back and seriously examine how you treat other members of this federation. **Way to lump everything together. I (ME) made the chemo comments to AY. 100% IC, no bait. Your comment was bait. Thats the difference. AY admited he baited Cash on the IT board. Thats the difference. Your comment was 100% bait. Again, you going against the rules Seth set for us. ....and people tried to say in the other thread "He wasnt talking to J," like anyone actually believed that shit...** When the hell did I admitt to baiting anyone. I fought fire with fire. ZT wanted to keep up with the cancer crap so I pulled out the 50 cal hand cannon and fired right back with the pedofile remarks. Just so everyone knows and I dont put my real life out like this, I lost my mother this past December to cancer. So if you try to use that trust me I'm firing the cannons and hitting whoever does it hard and strong until I'm banned or make that person leave.No.....You put something you learned in an OOC thread....into an IC thread......to bait me. Thats the problem. If you hadnt known...Wouldnt give a single fuck. that shit is IN CHARACTER. You called JERemy...ME a pedophile. And then you called Cash a pedophile because you KNEW how I would react. Thats the problem... Taking something said in OOC..into an IC thread.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 2, 2017 16:29:44 GMT -5
I always pictured Dion living in something like this....
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 2, 2017 16:31:08 GMT -5
That looks lowkey fire to live in. Shit. Lucky Dion.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 2, 2017 16:32:01 GMT -5
I just want to confirm that Bates did indeed bring the OOC feelings back to IC. He isn't to blame for the OOC drama, he's been a chilled mod.
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Post by David Sanchez on Feb 2, 2017 16:32:23 GMT -5
Everybody needs to get their mood tablets upped; this shit is getting ridiculous. Most of us are at least in our twenties and thirties for fuck sake. Sick to hilt of this constant tension. If you can't work together, don't work together. It's fucking simple. I want to bang all your heads together, but at this juncture I'd probably get banned for fucking instigating. How hard is it to just stay away from people you can't work well with? I'm no saint; everybody knows I'm just as bad for being an opinionated dick; the difference is I don't talk OOC to anybody on here I wouldn't talk to in the pub. People need to either stop using their characters as tools to cause friction OOC/IRL. It's weak, petty shit and it drags us all down; making this place look shit in the process. Swallow your collective pride(s) and return to being a real, functional human being with things to do besides be a prick online. Most of you have fucking kids; stop acting like them and get on with it. This is competitive, creative writing and somewhere to chill. If you want to be a twat go do it somewhere like Facebook where the people you annoy or insult are close enough to slap the dust from your worn-once thinking hats and realize you've (we've to a degree) all been acting like massive bellends. Sincerely yours, Jason.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 2, 2017 16:33:09 GMT -5
From this point, you have told us that both pedophile and cancer jokes are unacceptable despite the fact that you have made both jokes in character. Do not make excuses: admit you are being hypocritical. The moment you admit it and apologize, any of us are willing to accommodate you, but respect is a two way street. You will be treated the way you treat others, and it's time you step back and seriously examine how you treat other members of this federation. **Way to lump everything together. I (ME) made the chemo comments to AY. 100% IC, no bait. Your comment was bait. Thats the difference. AY admited he baited Cash on the IT board. Thats the difference. Your comment was 100% bait. Again, you going against the rules Seth set for us. ....and people tried to say in the other thread "He wasnt talking to J," like anyone actually believed that shit...** When the hell did I admitt to baiting anyone. I fought fire with fire. ZT wanted to keep up with the cancer crap so I pulled out the 50 cal hand cannon and fired right back with the pedofile remarks. Just so everyone knows and I dont put my real life out like this, I lost my mother this past December to cancer. So if you try to use that trust me I'm firing the cannons and hitting whoever does it hard and strong until I'm banned or make that person leave.No.....You put something you learned in an OOC thread....into an IC thread......to bait me. Thats the problem. If you hadnt known...Wouldnt give a single fuck. that shit is IN CHARACTER. You called JERemy...ME a pedophile. And then you called Cash a pedophile because you KNEW how I would react. Thats the problem... Taking something said in OOC..into an IC thread. Heres the deal with me if it don't involve my charcters I don't read it, I'm way to busy to care about what a bunch of youngsters put up in occ posts. I just don't do it. And by the way "Who the fuck is Eric Black?"
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Post by John Rabid on Feb 2, 2017 16:34:39 GMT -5
For as much flak as CD, Odin, and – bafflingly – Purse have gotten about being "biased": Matt, you have not been a fair or professional admin. Throughout every conflict, I have been in contact or been contact by Bryan, Curt, Andrew, and Seth to at least get my take on the issue. You are the only one who has never asked any of us for our side of any issue or even just a friendly chat. When you defend one side of an issue while never bothering to get the whole story, that's not providing balance – that's contrarianism. The only time you have contact me or anyone in #BeachKrew was to ask I feel you could beat us up in a segment and put you over. It'S also time you admit that you have culpability in the tension going on right now. Since returning, I have had a number of people who've come to me and told me that they were informed "we were troublemakers coming back to destroy WCF." These people have all named two names: you and Twilight. Twilight has admitted such to me and apologized; when are you? CD has been the one talking to y'all, and since there was a lot of tension, as shown in this message from you, I was fine with letting CD handle it. CD has done a great job presenting your arguments. If you wish for me to message you every time as well, then I will. I contacted y'all to give my character an out. An out that made sense to the story. As Seth mentioned, it helped you more than it helped me. It made y'all seem real, and not just some random group of bad guys that can never be hurt. If you remember, I was willing to work with y'all on the entire story. We ended up going with the parts agreed upon, and dropped everything else. As for the tension going on, y'all are just as much to blame as anyone. You have the clique mentality, and anyone who isn't a friend of yours becomes an outcast. What I feared would happen again, did. Now when y'all first came back, I did what Seth wanted. I put aside personal feelings, and tried to work with everyone. A storyline was invented, which was entirely In Character. Did some try to turn it Out of Character? Absolutely. I also told those people to bring it back to IC, and leave the OOC stuff alone. Will I apologize for trying to help the fed with a storyline? Absolutely not. It was a storyline that got out of hand, because some people, on both sides, cannot separate IC from OOC. The storyline was put to an end, and I had my part to bringing it to an end. For crying out loud, what do you think part of the reason I pulled Bates out of it? I will not apologize just because y'all want to put all of the blame on me.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 2, 2017 16:36:13 GMT -5
Everybody needs to get their mood tablets upped; this shit is getting ridiculous. Most of us are at least in our twenties and thirties for fuck sake. Sick to hilt of this constant tension. If you can't work together, don't work together. It's fucking simple. I want to bang all your heads together, but at this juncture I'd probably get banned for fucking instigating. How hard is it to just stay away from people you can't work well with? I'm no saint; everybody knows I'm just as bad for being an opinionated dick; the difference is I don't talk OOC to anybody on here I wouldn't talk to in the pub. People need to either stop using their characters as tools to cause friction OOC/IRL. It's weak, petty shit and it drags us all down; making this place look shit in the process. Swallow your collective pride(s) and return to being a real, functional human being with things to do besides be a prick online. Most of you have fucking kids; stop acting like them and get on with it. This is competitive, creative writing and somewhere to chill. If you want to be a twat go do it somewhere like Facebook where the people you annoy or insult are close enough to slap the dust from your worn-once thinking hats and realize you've (we've to a degree) all been acting like massive bellends. Sincerely yours, Jason. I didn't even read this, I just liked it for the penguin lol
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 2, 2017 16:37:59 GMT -5
Here ya go David
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 2, 2017 16:39:46 GMT -5
Let me make something entirely plain.
I'm not a hardass as many people here might think. I do what I can to find people I can get along and work with, and when I can't, I try anyway.
I really hate that my situation was used for this, a situation I put behind me. But since it was brought up, I must clear the air.
On more than one occasion, I brought up my frustration with the homeless deal. J and I were, in fact, on the same boat with the mindset of respecting the wishes of the writer, him with the juggalo comments, me with the homeless ones. The response?
"It's their character."
"Get thicker skin."
"LOLWE'RECENSORED"
So really, a half-assed attempt during a point here when I was seriously struggling to carve a name for myself. I grew frustrated, going to the feedback thread to create polls for people to control my character, because to me, that's how it felt. Bates helped generate ideas for me in those times, and I'm grateful for that.
Then November rolls around. I had crafted two of my best promos, one even landing me RP of the Week, basically lashing out at the homeless cracks. What happens? It doesn't stop. It bleeds out OOC. I reached a point of frustration and said, "I'm willing to leave over this." What happens when that thread gets locked as I defend that character?
"You need thicker skin."
To me, that told me my defense of my writing was becoming a problem for everyone else. It was at that point I was dead set on leaving. I never wanted to cause any problems; I just wanted to write and have my character be received. I was willing to work with just about anyone, begging even, but no one wanted to work with some new guy. And being told, after having written my best work at that time, that i needed thicker skin...it told me it didn't matter how I wrote; that your whining about IC descriptions is a problem for the rest of us. It wasn't until others talked to me about how I was feeling about the issue that I decided to simply take a hiatus. I came back better for it as a result.
The biggest problem is that we don't respect anyone here. We're all here to just be assholes, not even to relax and write. It gets frustrating to come in and see what new fight breaks out.
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Post by Kevin Bishop on Feb 2, 2017 16:47:36 GMT -5
I've enjoyed this fed since I came back to efeding and I appreciate talented writers and creative minds all the same. The so called "clique" of WCF treated me with nothing but respect and I just got to say, I'm cool with everyone non the less. I don't see them as a clique, if they are, then they're just as much a clique as the brotherhood and zero tolerance or anyone else who enjoy each other's company.
I'm not one for drama, so I don't really add fuel to the fires here on the boards and I know one thread that got locked that ticked me off was my innocent if WWE would changed our character names thread. No matter what thread there is, it somehow turns into a venomous shit storm of verbal retarded dribble, that everyone involved gets triggered in the end.
We all know how the internet works and we all feel like we have a dog in the fight when it comes to our opinions... We all just use our voice in the worse of ways and it turns into a digital pissing competition.
Just felt like sharing my opinion on all of this...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 16:52:26 GMT -5
You have the clique mentality, and anyone who isn't a friend of yours becomes an outcast. WRONG! You're not privy to what goes on in the group and I know this as fact. Your claim of a clique mentality that treats everyone outside of it as outcasts is based on nothing close to the facts. The people in that chat group, especially the guys in Pantheon could absolutely bury you in screenshots and other proof of them not being a clique and not treating those outside of the chat group as outcasts. There's more non-Pantheon guys in the group than people in Pantheon. The Pantheon guys are probably outnumbered 2:1.EDIT: oops just counted, 3:1 actually.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 2, 2017 16:57:30 GMT -5
Just going to prove how no matter what the members of ZT are full of BS to me.
This is from a Crazy J post Ok when moor called me cancer and posted a picture of cancer I replied with a picture of my nephew. I explained my dislike for being called cancer and how my nephew is struggling. Then to take an ooc thing and post it on a in character board by Holmes was exactly what Seth Said in his pm that people would be suspended for the week even if they have title shots or defense. i wasn't even taking part it the conversation so why take a cheap shot at me. we all know who his comment was meant for and Odin you can pretend like it wasn't but you know better. He broke Seth rule it's that simple...
My nephew has cancer not because he wants it... so yeah the phrase being thrown at me is an insult and disrespect. This is suppose to be a community of writers. I have never attacked or mocked anyones family on here.
Salem stated LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You said "WHy dont I man up and face off with Flash." Pretty simple there: Seth never booked me one on one with Flash. Make it happen and I'll stand across from him in the ring.
You need to worry about me and Cash though, were taking you two creepy lookin chemo patients down in just a few more days!!!!
Was that you before the chemo and you lost all your hair? or is that the face you make when you get down on your knees for Austin Adams...
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Post by Stephen Singh on Feb 2, 2017 16:59:37 GMT -5
I just wanted to speak to this point real quickly. I don't have a dog in this fight and have had reasonable/dare I say pleasant OOC interactions with most people on either side of this. So I've let others' beef stay on their plates but I've heard this idea of anyone in BeachKrew/Pantheon having a 'clique' mentality tossed around a few times so I thought I should share my pertinent experience:
Absolutely not. I don't know anyone here IRL life or from other feds or anywhere else but nobody for a moment has made me feel excluded. I've certainly felt excluded or belittled or outclassed on behalf of my character but OOC? Not for a moment from anybody in any of the stables or "cliques" or whatever. More specifically: I asked to use Holmes briefly in a segment like hellatime ago when I was a newb nobody and he offered to work on it with me (which we did). Odin (earnestly I think) offered to be Singh's tag team partner when I was storylining a hunt for one. When Singh was suddenly #1 contender, Flash immediately messaged me, congratulated me/told me I deserved it, we agreed on a limit for the world title match and then he told me to "come tear <his> fucking head off."
They're not the only dudes to have reached out to me/been congratulatory and welcoming--ZT dudes have done so and the Brother hood reached out as well and I've appreciated all that too. I just felt compelled to speak up as the Krewtheon dudes seem to be the ones getting painted with the "exclusive clique" brush. I mean, maybe I'm a special case (I'M LOVABLE AS FUCK YOU FUCKING COCKSUCKERS) but I just wanted to say I've had zero experience with the exclusionary stuff that seems to be laid at their feet frequently.
As for the rest of this shit?
Syke! I'm fucking Switzerland; hard pass.
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Post by Salem Shepard on Feb 2, 2017 17:06:47 GMT -5
Just going to prove how no matter what the members of ZT are full of BS to me.This is from a Crazy J post Ok when moor called me cancer and posted a picture of cancer I replied with a picture of my nephew. I explained my dislike for being called cancer and how my nephew is struggling. Then to take an ooc thing and post it on a in character board by Holmes was exactly what Seth Said in his pm that people would be suspended for the week even if they have title shots or defense. i wasn't even taking part it the conversation so why take a cheap shot at me. we all know who his comment was meant for and Odin you can pretend like it wasn't but you know better. He broke Seth rule it's that simple... My nephew has cancer not because he wants it... so yeah the phrase being thrown at me is an insult and disrespect. This is suppose to be a community of writers. I have never attacked or mocked anyones family on here. Salem stated LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You said "WHy dont I man up and face off with Flash." Pretty simple there: Seth never booked me one on one with Flash. Make it happen and I'll stand across from him in the ring. You need to worry about me and Cash though, were taking you two creepy lookin chemo patients down in just a few more days!!!! Was that you before the chemo and you lost all your hair? or is that the face you make when you get down on your knees for Austin Adams... What? What are you trying to prove here? You went and picked my comments that are 100% IC? I don't make OOC/IC comments. Never have, never will.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 2, 2017 17:20:44 GMT -5
Just stating how I see how the members of ZT are hypocrites. ZT gets offeneded but turn around and do the same damn thing themselves with what they asked for us to not do.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 2, 2017 17:23:10 GMT -5
Whilst we're on the topic of discussing our feelings and things, I figured I may as well share my own feelings when it came to certain things which have recently bothered me... but im usually the king of making it seem like nothing bothers me.
Recently after listening to the podcast and hearing FPV keep saying that he didn't read the show you yet etc, I played with him a bit saying that id now go and review something I hadn't watched... which everyone (or so I thought) knew was a joke... all except one person, Johnny Rabid, who completely lost his mind on me. Even going so far as to threaten to call the cops on me... which was NOT funny and was a super serious threat. I had no idea what he was even talking about, got a bit moody etc etc etc
Later, after I calmed down I wrote, what is VERY MUCH unlike me, a super serious OOC which explained my emotional state as of late, which is very much unlike me to do that. But as I said I'm going through some EXTREMELY serious stuff right now so my emotions all over the place. I sincerely apologised to Rabid, and others, and explained myself to him. I was met with support by a good majority of people. All except Pantheon and Gravedigger Who disliked the message I wrote or just flat out ignored my apology, which I shouldn't have needed to have done in the first place since he was the one who misunderstood me and lashed out on me.
Considering the fact that I NEVER act myself on the boards or show my true emotions etc it did bother me a lot. And all it did is put my back up against a bunch of guys I shouldn't have had my back up against in the first place.
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Post by David Sanchez on Feb 2, 2017 17:24:12 GMT -5
Everything said after my last post is redundant. You all suck. I'ma go kms real quick over how tiny and insignificant this all is. Thank you WCF, take a fuccin' bow. Less drama comes associated with working in a hairdressers. I hope you all get cat AIDS. <3
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