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Post by Dionysus on Feb 3, 2017 19:05:20 GMT -5
All I want is to fix this.
Why do you three have a problem with me wanting to help fix this?
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Post by Crazy J zt on Feb 3, 2017 19:07:21 GMT -5
This place needs a big town hall meeting one night where people can talk this shit out. I have no ill will on shark or anyone else in pantheon... maybe a Skype chat or something. But name calling and demanding and trying to take charge will not fix it... some of us have ran Feds and some of us have real life conflict manangemt
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 3, 2017 19:11:39 GMT -5
This place needs a big town hall meeting one night where people can talk this shit out. I have no ill will on shark or anyone else in pantheon... maybe a Skype chat or something. But name calling and demanding and trying to take charge will not fix it... some of us have ran Feds and some of us have real life conflict manangemt I'm aware. I'm not trying to take charge; I'm just wanting all of this to just be resolved. I don't know any other way of doing that aside from just getting people together to talk about it, and that's what I'm trying to do. I'm not going to sit here and pretend to be a saint. I know I've had my fair, slim share of the blame. But I lost three of my friends because of this bullshit; I just want it to stop so they can come back and be able to enjoy themselves. You'd be in the same boat if it were Salem or Cash; you can understand where I'm coming from with this. I'm not trying to cause problems for anyone. I simply don't have time to deal with people baiting, insulting, bullying, or otherwise being a dick to one another. If I'm being harsh, its because of this. All I want is WCF to be a place where people can actually feel like they belong. I'm on the verge of quitting myself, but I want to at least try to make things better around here. I'm not wanting to take charge; I just want to get the ball rolling on this. I thought the discussion I was having earlier about what we could do to step up on when issues break out was great; I was just trying to steer the conversation back in that direction. I'm coming at this hard because this has been going on for several months, and that is WAY too long. I just want it to stop. All I want is for this to stop.
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Post by Gemini Battle on Feb 3, 2017 19:50:26 GMT -5
As the second most beloved person here I herby decree this thread done
IT IS DECIDED!
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Post by Seth on Feb 3, 2017 21:00:21 GMT -5
I'm tired of all of this too but I feel like a dick leaving things unanswered. If we're going to give Bates shit for the "Pantheon as outsiders!" thing, I'm am AT LEAST as equally to blame. My idea for the story was always "the WCF guys see them as outsiders or invaders, while they themselves see themselves as the real pro-WCF team" and I had kinda thought that idea got across in roleplays just fine. Clearly it didn't, and my apologies for any disservice I did to anyone for not running the angle correctly! I don't think we really need to fight about this too much now, but I'll take my share of the blame for it. I've been very open about everyone banned and why. So has every other mod. However, this attitude is exactly why I err on the side of NOT banning people - no matter what, individual instances warrant different responses, and getting into "so and so got banned for such and such, WHY NOT THIS PERSON!?" I've gotten sucked into making things a bigger deal than they are now too, and I get it, it's easy to do. The rules are clear. Don't be a dick to people. If you feel like someone is being a dick to you, either talk to them or have a mod intervene. If someone continuously posts outright OOC attacks they should be banned. Every single person here had probably called someone an idiot or whatever in the heat of an argument so I don't mean that - I mean more Tortures "HAHA DAG IS GAY" post, but that stuff doesn't happen often. I can't make a rule about subtle OOC/IC sarcasm and jabs because it isn't an issue with a "one size fits all" response. Another way to put it is "everyone should be a normal functioning adult. WCF isn't a police state that is going to get rid of everyone that says something you don't like, but we'll deal with outstanding issues as they come up." Anyone that thinks subtle "baiting" is a major issue requiring major intervention needs to see the "be an adult" part of the rule. This method is clearly not working. If you were to ask every member of the fed who currently views or posts on the boards and found more than 5 people who think the way you're doing things works, I would be more shocked than I've ever been in my life. You're right! But I'd also be shocked if you found more than five people that agreed on a solution, or who should have been banned for what or when. This quote out of everything you said is the most baffling. Please tell me I'm taking this out of context somehow but basically banning people is counterproductive, antagonizes all and doesn't change people's behavior? Discounting these small one day or one week bans, during my time as a moderator and prior, we probably had maybe 10-15 instances of banning and it always solved current issues. yeah maybe some of those people, not naming names, kept going back to the behavior, but it solved issues for a while. Also, banning half the fed is obviously an overdramatic comment. I've seen nothing worse going on here on the boards to warrant the bans of more than half a dozen people and out of that number only one would have warranted a lengthy ban. It's the "one week bans" that I'm talking about that don't solve anything. Yeah, when we've had really shitty people like Grime or the Superfans or Ellis and we just got rid of them, that sure solved the problem, but that isn't what we have here. Even so, some kind of ban can solve superficial issues like "So and so started an argument with so and so and it got out of hand" but in a billion page thread where lots of people said lots of things? If anyone here thinks they'd learn a lesson from being banned for anything they said here, seriously, let me know! But I don't see handing out mass bans here as an answer. Watching other threads and seeing shit crop up there, or if someone pulls something after all of this? That is going to be a different story. But based on this it doesn't seem worth it.
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Post by Seth on Feb 3, 2017 21:12:55 GMT -5
Everyone has to play nice. It's that simple, Dion. Sad part is: it won't happen. So unless you're willing to help out, kindly shut your trap. Dear pot, Your black Signed, Kettle Look, I know you don't want to help solve this. I do. So unless you're willing to help out, kindly shut your trap. For real? Dude trying to help and you attack him? Sorry to call all of you out as an example, but these exchanges are 100% why we have problems, and it's really like.. simple shit. First! Salem makes the point that we have to play nice, which is exactly true, but adds the negative "but it won't happen" thing that really shits on trying to make any effort. Dion points out that it isn't helpful but adds "kindly shut your trap" which, Dion surely knows, isn't going to help but he's heated so it happens. Instead of letting it go J posts passive aggressive "pot calling kettle black" response, followed by Erik Black jumping in even though it didn't really involve him to say Dion "attacked" J, which is really not what happened, "shut your trap if you don't want to help" is far from an attack. So, okay, we have at least three people here who don't want drama and want things to end - but yet antagonize each other for no good reason whatsoever. Later on: I'm telling you, here and now, that I'm wanting all the fucking bullshit to end. So lets actually find a way to make that happen. Look god back off me bro Dion simply says he wants problems to end and wants to find a way to do that... and J responds with "back off me?" Your new thread is a great start tell you call people Assholes... look you are not the person to lead fixing this... half this place hates you just like half of it hates me... but I can agree to play nice with you but you have to stop coming at people like your their daddy... Half the fed does not hate Dion, and I don't really think half the fed hates you. That's hyperbolic and just adds to the tension. So... seriously, guys. Rethink your approaches here. Before you type something, read it back and think how you'd react if it was said to you.
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Post by Gemini Battle on Feb 3, 2017 21:28:54 GMT -5
What part of As the second most beloved person here I herby decree this thread done IT IS DECIDED! Don't you understand It was working! But I'll only use my power for good.
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Post by Mikey eXtreme on Feb 3, 2017 21:31:28 GMT -5
I love everyone equally. I hope this fixes everything.
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Post by Seth on Feb 3, 2017 21:35:05 GMT -5
It depends. Change your picbase to current fat Chris Hero, that seems like a big jolly guy who's love could cure everything.
His love, or his elbows, whichever.
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 3, 2017 21:37:54 GMT -5
It depends. Change your picbase to current fat Chris Hero, that seems like a big jolly guy who's love could cure everything. His love, or his elbows, whichever. Actually, change it to Chris Hero's elbow. That'll sell the gimmick.
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Post by Crazy J zt on Feb 3, 2017 21:39:09 GMT -5
Who is chris hero and why would his elbow work? You wrestling dorks...
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Post by Seth on Feb 4, 2017 0:22:32 GMT -5
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 4, 2017 5:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by Jay Omega on Feb 4, 2017 7:46:16 GMT -5
Damn, Mikey eXtreme really let himself go. Spent too much time riding a motorcycle, not enough time exercising. ;)
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Post by Wade Moor on Feb 4, 2017 9:11:35 GMT -5
Damn, Mikey eXtreme really let himself go. Spent too much time riding a motorcycle, not enough time exercising. The camera adds a couple...hundred pounds.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 4, 2017 12:01:05 GMT -5
Damn, Mikey eXtreme really let himself go. Spent too much time riding a motorcycle, not enough time exercising. The camera adds a couple...hundred pounds. He don't have to stay in shape anymore. He made his money, he has like six ladies at his beckon call and damn it hamburgers and chicken wings are so damn tasty.
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Post by Jay Omega on Feb 4, 2017 16:44:28 GMT -5
Adam Young, Wade Moor, and Jay Omega all coming together to poke light and flaky fun at Mikey "Pillsbury Doughboy" eXtreme? This is the kind of unity y'all need more of 'round these parts.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 5, 2017 16:08:51 GMT -5
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Post by Mikey eXtreme on Feb 6, 2017 7:27:44 GMT -5
Jeez, I get it! I'm starting my diet.. Soon, maybe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 8:39:46 GMT -5
Yeah, we get it bro. It's a "seafood" diet...as in eat everything you SEE. Looks like you started that 200 pounds ago.
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