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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 3, 2017 14:33:52 GMT -5
I don't have the energy to do paragraphs because I went out last night.
Banning helps.
If one breaks a rule and no repercussions are made, he/she will continue to do so under the belief he/she has power.
Enforce it, he/she will become the bitch nigga and fall in line.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Feb 3, 2017 14:38:06 GMT -5
Look it's easy to put blame on rod... but some of you are just as guilty of starting shit and keeping it going if not more at fault. have talked to those leaving and it's not because of rod it's because of everything going on. When pantheon was talked about being the enemy it came in what looked like an NWO group and wanted to take all the belts. They hijacked more twitter post and ooc post then the rest of the wcf... this place has changed a lot from the time I was here before pantheon and after. It's not all their fault and it's not everyone else's fault. I am confused as to why Jared Holmes took a shot at me in a conversation where I wasn't even active... hell my internet post the last few weeks have been in reply to shep story line only. Yesterday while this board was filling up I did my taxes and planned a cruise. I stayed out of it but today I look at this all and everyone wants to just point fingers at one side. Almost Everyone that has posted in this is at fault for some of it... including me. That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. The "Invasion" aspect of it was due to them being UCI/Not here. Pretty much "They left when we needed them". The idea; They left, and when we showed that we can still stand, they invaded. OOC wise, yes they've been here. When Seth wiped the slate clean, it included them as well. OOC wise, they were not invaders. IC wise, that was the storyline. Of course, it did backfire, and especially fueled by certain people.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 14:39:25 GMT -5
That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. The "Invasion" aspect of it was due to them being UCI/Not here. Pretty much "They left when we needed them". The idea; They left, and when we showed that we can still stand, they invaded. OOC wise, yes they've been here. When Seth wiped the slate clean, it included them as well. OOC wise, they were not invaders. IC wise, that was the storyline. Of course, it did backfire, and especially fueled by certain people. UCI is a different fed entirely though lol. Remember that segment where Seth shredded all the contracts after the incident and the fed was brought back for the return show?
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Post by Kidd Krazzy on Feb 3, 2017 14:40:42 GMT -5
Look I wanted stay outta this shit, but whatever might as well, For one its not just Rod! Corey Black and j said it best... it everyone. look at this a whole day down the drains going on day 2! is the card written? are segments made? have plans to make storys and cool shit done? No! people want to break shit down instead of build up. I mean hell minua you book writers this is the most most you have ever written and its wasted on drama... ITs not one persons fault...this place is supposed to be a community. If it was a one man thing it would be like battles fanfic thingy, and i could just job to myself hell then id have a great record but its not it takes all of us seth, the writers the fans the assholes the pricks the fuckwads the jobbers the stupid wierd cunts the mods the no names the trolls all working together. with out that this will never work. Rod truley meant it when he said he was upset i and pomp were leaving, now yall can say he trying manipulate me or whatever but fact is not many work with him, annnnnnd yes ik thats cuase his past idfc ive heard many sides.... fact is few others and myself did and Like him. no one one here has to like anyone, but we all need ban togather or leave...hence what im doing. I feel i cant contribute to a place that cant help itself. Everyone in this stupid ass thread should go read the old mexico thread... this threads exactly like that one minus a DICK PIC being thrown around. everyone looks like fools. my jobber ass included. that all being said and ignore because i mean who the fuck am i right? well news flash no one matters! GEm said it best i believe.... In all actuallity we all become worm food does any of this stupid shit matter? Just for real yall go look at the old thread compare it to this and think is it worth it? everyone has points and shit but really we are all human so we really only care about our own personal problems and views...my drill sargent told me that..and no truer words have i learned. The thicker skin thing is a very lame comment...I feel more should have gotten banned...... on both sides sorry freinds.... but seths the guy, he isnt the good guy he isnt the bad guy he just a guy... and after talking to a new perscpective well actually quite a few differnt ones but one who knows alot i feel that everyone is at fault, and if we cant all get along we need a break up. so basiclly its not you its me, but ill always have place in my heart for you..... love nobody...to a bunch of nobodys floating on a nothing planet.
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 3, 2017 14:40:58 GMT -5
That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. The "Invasion" aspect of it was due to them being UCI/Not here. Pretty much "They left when we needed them". The idea; They left, and when we showed that we can still stand, they invaded. OOC wise, yes they've been here. When Seth wiped the slate clean, it included them as well. OOC wise, they were not invaders. IC wise, that was the storyline. Of course, it did backfire, and especially fueled by certain people.
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Post by Crazy J zt on Feb 3, 2017 14:44:03 GMT -5
Look it's easy to put blame on rod... but some of you are just as guilty of starting shit and keeping it going if not more at fault. have talked to those leaving and it's not because of rod it's because of everything going on. When pantheon was talked about being the enemy it came in what looked like an NWO group and wanted to take all the belts. They hijacked more twitter post and ooc post then the rest of the wcf... this place has changed a lot from the time I was here before pantheon and after. It's not all their fault and it's not everyone else's fault. I am confused as to why Jared Holmes took a shot at me in a conversation where I wasn't even active... hell my internet post the last few weeks have been in reply to shep story line only. Yesterday while this board was filling up I did my taxes and planned a cruise. I stayed out of it but today I look at this all and everyone wants to just point fingers at one side. Almost Everyone that has posted in this is at fault for some of it... including me. That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. If you don't think the story line was then being outsiders why was the hellimination match 7 on 7 pantheon vs team wcf?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 14:44:56 GMT -5
The fact remains, there is a serious problem with how issues are resolved, stemming from threads not being locked up quick enough, to people dick-riding one another when OOC bullshit breaks out, to not really knowing why some people are banned and others aren't. This does go back to the operation of the fed, Seth. I'm not wanting to make a huge fight out of this, but it's been a war zone for months now, and we're losing great people as a result of it. I'm not saying any of this is deliberate; we just need to refine what the rules of this place actually are, and then stick to actually enforcing said rules. I've been very open about everyone banned and why. So has every other mod. However, this attitude is exactly why I err on the side of NOT banning people - no matter what, individual instances warrant different responses, and getting into "so and so got banned for such and such, WHY NOT THIS PERSON!?" I've gotten sucked into making things a bigger deal than they are now too, and I get it, it's easy to do. The rules are clear. Don't be a dick to people. If you feel like someone is being a dick to you, either talk to them or have a mod intervene. If someone continuously posts outright OOC attacks they should be banned. Every single person here had probably called someone an idiot or whatever in the heat of an argument so I don't mean that - I mean more Tortures "HAHA DAG IS GAY" post, but that stuff doesn't happen often. I can't make a rule about subtle OOC/IC sarcasm and jabs because it isn't an issue with a "one size fits all" response. Another way to put it is "everyone should be a normal functioning adult. WCF isn't a police state that is going to get rid of everyone that says something you don't like, but we'll deal with outstanding issues as they come up." Anyone that thinks subtle "baiting" is a major issue requiring major intervention needs to see the "be an adult" part of the rule. This method is clearly not working. If you were to ask every member of the fed who currently views or posts on the boards and found more than 5 people who think the way you're doing things works, I would be more shocked than I've ever been in my life. This quote out of everything you said is the most baffling. Please tell me I'm taking this out of context somehow but basically banning people is counterproductive, antagonizes all and doesn't change people's behavior? Discounting these small one day or one week bans, during my time as a moderator and prior, we probably had maybe 10-15 instances of banning and it always solved current issues. yeah maybe some of those people, not naming names, kept going back to the behavior, but it solved issues for a while. Also, banning half the fed is obviously an overdramatic comment. I've seen nothing worse going on here on the boards to warrant the bans of more than half a dozen people and out of that number only one would have warranted a lengthy ban.
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 3, 2017 14:45:46 GMT -5
That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. If you don't think the story line was then being outsiders why was the hellimination match 7 on 7 pantheon vs team wcf? Because ZT and Their Bitches didn't have a good ring to it. XD To be serious, a name wasn't really discussed. It was just assumed that was what the team was called. The people writing the story decided on that, and no one questioned it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 14:47:36 GMT -5
That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. If you don't think the story line was then being outsiders why was the hellimination match 7 on 7 pantheon vs team wcf? ...because they're a large group? Hellimination is a huge match and he wanted as many stars as possible. Who could have matched Pantheon in numbers?
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 3, 2017 14:49:14 GMT -5
That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. If you don't think the story line was then being outsiders why was the hellimination match 7 on 7 pantheon vs team wcf? Because Pantheon is a group of heavily accomplished talented individuals returning with the intention of dominating the competition and being most dominant stable. You have a group of collected talents especially of the new generation wanting to prove them wrong, destroy their power and especially a group that aren't even tag teams or stables collectively. (You know what I mean) Pantheon vs Team WCF makes sense. It's not invasion vs home team. It was Pre-Mexico vs Post Mexico or Old vs New.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 14:50:38 GMT -5
That perception about Pantheon as the enemy was started OOC and forced on them IC. I don't get this idea of it making sense for Pantheon to be these outsiders or invaders like people are portraying them to be. First of all, these guys have been here IC for anywhere from a year plus all the way up to 15 years ago (CD). A number of them were here in the fed the whole time you guys were here. Just because some of them left and then returned doesn't make them invaders, even if in a group. I've done that a number of times. There's quite a few people who have done it as well. They weren't outsiders/invaders. When WCW was bought out and they did the Invasion angle...THAT was an invasion. The Alliance was a group of invaders from ECW and WCW, mostly guys who had never been in WWE or if they had it was anywhere from 10-20 years earlier under different names/gimmicks. The "Invasion" aspect of it was due to them being UCI/Not here. Pretty much "They left when we needed them". The idea; They left, and when we showed that we can still stand, they invaded. OOC wise, yes they've been here. When Seth wiped the slate clean, it included them as well. OOC wise, they were not invaders. IC wise, that was the storyline. Of course, it did backfire, and especially fueled by certain people. Not all of the characters went to UCI. Only a couple of them did. Some of the Pantheon members were not even active in WCF long before people left here. So even if they did end up in UCI, they didn't leave with the ones who left WCF. Your arguments are completely based on your own fictional ideas and facts.
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 3, 2017 14:52:24 GMT -5
And I'll say this as well.
Pantheon can't be classified as invaders when they are RETURNING talent forming a group after being screwed over by Seth Lerch in Mexico.
If someone believes this is invasion, it's mainly because they feared any possible reality they would be pushed aside or lose all legitimacy in the company. In layman's terms, they're egos would be knocked down hella fast.
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Post by Crazy J zt on Feb 3, 2017 14:53:46 GMT -5
Ok Dion and grave digger... when zt didn't want to be in the match because we knew we couldn't count on everyone showing up.... Seth really wanted us to be in team wcf so we did it... but yes this was a very much if you guys don't win pantheon gets title shots at all the titles... but the champs that refused to be in the match lucked out because they didn't get challenged at one. But the story line wasn't welcome back pantheon let's all be friends... they came back on a mission and it was a great story line but it was the story line created by them or Seth... I know zt didn't ask for it because we are always the invaders when we join Feds.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 3, 2017 14:56:55 GMT -5
Why are we even arguing about about a storyline which was over and done with... months ago?
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 3, 2017 14:58:10 GMT -5
Why are we even arguing about about a storyline which was over and done with... months ago? It's a catalyst for the animosity between certain groups.
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Post by Torture on Feb 3, 2017 14:58:40 GMT -5
Why are we even arguing about about a storyline which was over and done with... months ago? Because Bates is VERY wrong about it. He's been wrong about a lot of things, actually. Let them continue though..
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Post by Stuart Slane on Feb 3, 2017 14:59:52 GMT -5
When Pantheon came back were they supposed to be the faces or the heels?
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 3, 2017 15:00:21 GMT -5
Why are we even arguing about about a storyline which was over and done with... months ago? It's a catalyst for the animosity between certain groups. Gotcha
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:02:16 GMT -5
When Pantheon came back were they supposed to be the faces or the heels? This is WCF, Slane. We're all heel. Serious answer: Yes, they were heels. Pantheon has ALWAYS been heels IMO and I will argue with past Pantheon groups to death over that fact lol. Ok Dion and grave digger... when zt didn't want to be in the match because we knew we couldn't count on everyone showing up.... Seth really wanted us to be in team wcf so we did it... but yes this was a very much if you guys don't win pantheon gets title shots at all the titles... but the champs that refused to be in the match lucked out because they didn't get challenged at one. But the story line wasn't welcome back pantheon let's all be friends... they came back on a mission and it was a great story line but it was the story line created by them or Seth... I know zt didn't ask for it because we are always the invaders when we join Feds. What's the point in saying all this? From day one, no one has ever argued that you guys wanted to be in the match. I've heard this paragraph of statements countless times since Helloween. No one has ever disputed it that I recall.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 15:05:18 GMT -5
I remember ZT getting a shit ton of props and respect for putting in the work against Pantheon knowing shit didn't seem good. I think we all were like "good shit, dudes".
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