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Post by Corey Black on Jan 26, 2017 17:21:58 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 17:42:11 GMT -5
I gave three sources, but I'll gladly accept this into the fold since the numbers keep getting higher, folks! Win!
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Post by Corey Black on Jan 26, 2017 18:53:43 GMT -5
Your sources were about as legit as a Danny Anderson comeback.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 18:59:59 GMT -5
Your sources were about as legit as a Danny Anderson comeback. one of them was the exact same source that Orbit used, however.
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Post by Corey Black on Jan 26, 2017 19:05:42 GMT -5
Your sources were about as legit as a Danny Anderson comeback. one of them was the exact same source that Orbit used, however. ACCEPT MY DANNY ANDERSON JOKE AND RESUME
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Jan 26, 2017 20:16:50 GMT -5
My graphic is a year or two old, somewhere during his second term. But you've missed the point. Executive orders are regular shit that every president does, it's not "unconstitutional" or an "overreach of power" or whatever else they were saying for his entire presidency. That being said, at 275, you're looking at a very average number of executive orders (a lower number, but close enough where I'll call it average) in comparison to every other president in the last century. So my point with the graphic is, he didn't "normalize" or "glorify" the action, rather the Republicans (and "conservative entertainment") greatly exaggerated the significance of executive orders and created the illusion that it was some type of dictator-style action that was unheard of before he took office. I will agree with you that Executive Orders are a regular thing that almost every President as done. William Henry Harrison is the exception, but I'm pretty sure dying had something to do with him not passing any Executive Orders. The highest number is Franklin D. Roosevelt, who signed 3,522 Executive Orders. Yes, CD, I'm using Wikipedia as a source as I don't want to dig through other records right now. Too much research work for me this week, lol. Now for the legality... There is nothing in the Constitution granting the President the power to make Executive Orders. Contrary to popular belief, they do not have the same power as law. As per Article I, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, only Congress has the power to make law. An Executive Order is merely an order to the Executive Branch, or at least that's what it's supposed to be. It has been a long standing tradition for Presidents to use Executive Orders to bypass Congress, and overreach their power. This is indeed Unconstitutional. This applies for any President, including Trump (who I did not vote for), Obama (who I did not vote for), and even Jefferson (who I would have voted for if I was alive then). If an Executive Order is used to try to make law, or goes beyond the boundaries of the Executive Branch, then it is in fact null and void, Uncontitutional, and a gross overreach of power. (Source for the above statement is the U.S. Constitution, which I do keep handy)
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 26, 2017 20:58:20 GMT -5
Obama was powerless. Trump is powerless. No amount of executive orders will change the fact that billionaire globalists have become more powerful than our government and continue to rape our economy while we are distracted by racism, arguing about border walls and who's inaguration did more ratings.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 21:25:35 GMT -5
Obama was powerless. Trump is powerless. No amount of executive orders will change the fact that billionaire globalists have become more powerful than our government and continue to rape our economy while we are distracted by racism, arguing about border walls and who's inaguration did more ratings. Why didn't you start off with sentiment I agree with
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Jan 26, 2017 21:29:03 GMT -5
Obama was powerless. Trump is powerless. No amount of executive orders will change the fact that billionaire globalists have become more powerful than our government and continue to rape our economy while we are distracted by racism, arguing about border walls and who's inaguration did more ratings. I'll disagree that they're powerless. I will say that they don't have as much power as people think they do, including them themselves. as for the inauguration... anyone else feel like their comparing sizes of something other than crowds?
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Post by Mikey eXtreme on Jan 29, 2017 18:46:47 GMT -5
This is the worst wrestling discussion I have ever seen.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 9:31:25 GMT -5
So what was the point in getting the facts correct on this? Even if we go with Curt's number, it only moves Obama up two spots on the graphic that Orbit posted. Unless you're a Gerald Ford mark (I point to him since he's Republican), this post didn't do much at all for the argument about Obama using the most executive orders.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 10:03:04 GMT -5
So what was the point in getting the facts correct on this? Even if we go with Curt's number, it only moves Obama up two spots on the graphic that Orbit posted. Unless you're a Gerald Ford mark (I point to him since he's Republican), this post didn't do much at all for the argument about Obama using the most executive orders. Why bother arguing if we can't even start by getting the basic facts right? Anyway, Obama used executive orders to make law, Trump is using executive orders to enforce the law.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2017 12:02:21 GMT -5
So what was the point in getting the facts correct on this? Even if we go with Curt's number, it only moves Obama up two spots on the graphic that Orbit posted. Unless you're a Gerald Ford mark (I point to him since he's Republican), this post didn't do much at all for the argument about Obama using the most executive orders. Why bother arguing if we can't even start by getting the basic facts right? Anyway, Obama used executive orders to make law, Trump is using executive orders to enforce the law. Enforce what laws? Arguably...arguably, the ONLY EO he signed that enforces a law would be regarding the border wall between the US and Mexico. The wall itself doesn't technically enforce immigration laws to begin with so really you have no footing to say he's using EOs to enforce the law.
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