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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 15:00:33 GMT -5
They do work well. Had to do one for the job I had at a Casino. One person tried to cheat it by shaving, everything. He went in, they told him they'll wait for it to grow back before they give him the job.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 15:05:57 GMT -5
They do work well. Had to do one for the job I had at a Casino. One person tried to cheat it by shaving, everything. He went in, they told him they'll wait for it to grow back before they give him the job. That's what we in the railroad school have been told too lol. They said if you shave your head, they'll get it somewhere else, if you shave everything, you ain't getting a job! It's refreshing to know that SOMETHING actually takes the law seriously and follows it. The teachers stressed very hard that despite marijuana being legal in this state, that the railroad industry is federally regulated, meaning no marijuana at all because it is still federally illegal. Being that the course is six months as well, I truly hope that some morons didn't listen and toked up so they are disqualified and my competition is reduced ^_^
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 15:17:30 GMT -5
Again, I'm not sure I believe that number being 10%. I live in the South, I was born here, I grew up here, and I see plenty of people, at least in the high Urban areas such as Memphis, Nashville, and Atlanta, abuse the system. I do think it more depends on where you're at too. If you're in a place like Memphis or Atlanta, then yes a large number will be abusing it. If you're in a Smalltown, USA then maybe not so much. Can I get a source on that "city people bad, country people good" claim? Because by the pure numbers then yes due to population density there's bound to be more abusers in the cities but if we're talkng about it by percentage of population as abusers, I'm less inclined to blindly believe that pretense. It was observation, that's why I said I "think" it depends on where you're at. I saw more welfare abuse in Memphis, Nashville, and Atlanta, than I did in smaller areas. However, after your comment, I did try to look it up. Seems there hasn't been a study on it, least not one I can find. I'm a pre-law student, so maybe I can get a little extra stuff down by researching the topic and studying fraud cases. Again though, it was simply a observation based on my own experiences. Of course, when you also think of the mentality of "city versus country", you enter into a whole new mess of claims. This will be an interesting study.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 15:37:11 GMT -5
I imagine he found it at this link: www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-toI know multiple people who work in social services in different states here in the South in places where poverty is high and they rarely find people milking the system who get away with it for any real length of time. Sorry for the vagueness but any more specific than that and I would be spilling info I'm not supposed to know. As mentioned in another post, most abusing it are caught really quickly after violating the rules of the system. Either the places I'm talking about are super strict and do their job properly or the people in the areas where you see them getting away with it are really lax and the social workers aren't doing their jobs. Also an other misconception seems to be that many welfare abusers are huge drug users, but the states that have started testing them in recent years have turned out less than 5 percent who tested positive, wasting millions in taxpayer money. I'm from Mississippi...worked at a grocery store growing up....i can say most of the folks getting even just food stamps shouldn't have beekln getting them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 16:11:34 GMT -5
I imagine he found it at this link: www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-toI know multiple people who work in social services in different states here in the South in places where poverty is high and they rarely find people milking the system who get away with it for any real length of time. Sorry for the vagueness but any more specific than that and I would be spilling info I'm not supposed to know. As mentioned in another post, most abusing it are caught really quickly after violating the rules of the system. Either the places I'm talking about are super strict and do their job properly or the people in the areas where you see them getting away with it are really lax and the social workers aren't doing their jobs. Also an other misconception seems to be that many welfare abusers are huge drug users, but the states that have started testing them in recent years have turned out less than 5 percent who tested positive, wasting millions in taxpayer money. I'm from Mississippi...worked at a grocery store growing up....i can say most of the folks getting even just food stamps shouldn't have beekln getting them That's cool. I had the same type of job growing up and I'm pretty sure you can't tell someone's personal life that well by how they dress and what they drive. It's making a lot of assumptions that I could do a good job explaining away. Also, if we're talking about what they buy in the store, that's easily explained, too. My experience on this subject comes from knowing people who work in these social services departments. The people who deal directly with their information. It also comes from knowing a lot of these types of people on a very personal level. Again though, not to say that there aren't people abusing the system. Just saying to get to the conclusion that abuse is widespread and rampant is almost entirely based on personal opinions and assumptions. Most people that talk about the kind of things you're referring to tend to not have those experiences often. Also, these days EBT cards work with the debit/credit card systems and you're less likely to know who is using them.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 16:30:23 GMT -5
I'm from Mississippi...worked at a grocery store growing up....i can say most of the folks getting even just food stamps shouldn't have beekln getting them That's cool. I had the same type of job growing up and I'm pretty sure you can't tell someone's personal life that well by how they dress and what they drive. It's making a lot of assumptions that I could do a good job explaining away. Also, if we're talking about what they buy in the store, that's easily explained, too. My experience on this subject comes from knowing people who work in these social services departments. The people who deal directly with their information. It also comes from knowing a lot of these types of people on a very personal level. Again though, not to say that there aren't people abusing the system. Just saying to get to the conclusion that abuse is widespread and rampant is almost entirely based on personal opinions and assumptions. Most people that talk about the kind of things you're referring to tend to not have those experiences often. Also, these days EBT cards work with the debit/credit card systems and you're less likely to know who is using them.
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Post by Kidd Krazzy on Dec 19, 2016 16:36:41 GMT -5
That's cool. I had the same type of job growing up and I'm pretty sure you can't tell someone's personal life that well by how they dress and what they drive. It's making a lot of assumptions that I could do a good job explaining away. Also, if we're talking about what they buy in the store, that's easily explained, too. My experience on this subject comes from knowing people who work in these social services departments. The people who deal directly with their information. It also comes from knowing a lot of these types of people on a very personal level. Again though, not to say that there aren't people abusing the system. Just saying to get to the conclusion that abuse is widespread and rampant is almost entirely based on personal opinions and assumptions. Most people that talk about the kind of things you're referring to tend to not have those experiences often. Also, these days EBT cards work with the debit/credit card systems and you're less likely to know who is using them. not sure your hating on this or not but its true, we have phones, cells but only cuz her mom pays for them so we can get calls from them and drs. we wil eventually be getting borrow their car, a nice one, cuz i hit a deer and messed ours up, so think all he was saying is unless you know the person you shouldnt judge them by what they have, mean my wife has name brand clothes as do the kids, all hand me downs that look new, shit isnt always as it seems. i think is all he is saying, now i also believe the system gets abused more than statistics show and people think there is always ways around stuff, growing up poor has taught me that much. No disrespect towards anyone ment here btw.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 16:39:43 GMT -5
Sorry, Bates, but I don't get what the image is saying. If you're disputing that, here's some explanations: some people will spend the money they have because how you look affects how people see you. This thread could not be more perfect in how that works so perfectly. It's an old sales tactic. Plus for all you know, their clothes and car were gifts or loans from friends. Or they borrowed those clothes/car. There's even more reasons someone on welfare has nice clothes or a nice car as well.
Again, assumptions. If that's not what that image meant, my bad.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 16:57:53 GMT -5
I should have said a bit more... I thought the image of Sherlock would have mentioned that some people, highly trained and highly skilled to the point of myth, could through deductive reasoning, high knowledge of thing, yadda yadda yadda.. Pretty much y'all are right on that regard unless you happen to run across Sherlock Holmes, James Moriarty, Batman, or the person that Sherlock Holmes was based off of (Joseph Bell, a professor of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle). I can go only so far as to tell if someone's needing new shoes or new outfit, not able to tell their whole story by their appearance.
This was just a Sherlock joke.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 17:03:42 GMT -5
Hahah yeah I haven't watched the show unfortunately. My number of BBC shows I've seen are limited or I would have more than likely gotten the joke!
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 17:13:25 GMT -5
Hahah yeah I haven't watched the show unfortunately. My number of BBC shows I've seen are limited or I would have more than likely gotten the joke! Seriously though, go watch them now. I think they're on Netflix. One of the best portrayals of Holmes. BBC has a lot of good stuff. Somehow, those Brits have taken over our entertainment industry!
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Post by 6ix God on Dec 19, 2016 17:46:24 GMT -5
The mere concept of welfare abuse is a joke because TANF pays out about $160 a month, you must hold a full time job's worth of hours a week, and it's a life time cap of 5 years.
It's easier for people in the South and Midwest to "abuse" the system because its eligibility is set on the federal poverty line and the South has a dramatically lower cost of living. That said "people who need it" is a statement so subjective it's not worth bothering with. If I recall correctly (off the top o my head; don't quote me) about 50% of the people eligible for SNAP and TANF don't even apply. I could probably receive them if I desired; I'm a bar manager who makes $4/hr with tips and has a second part time job as a retail clerk at a cigar store. I probably rope in about $1k a month, depending on tips and whatnot. My rent in a good sized one-bedroom in the basement of an old building downtown is $360/month. I'm totally eligible for welfare, and it would be sweet not having to shell out $300 a month on groceries out of pocket. But I'm really able to handle my shit and even maintain a vinyl hobby, so I don't bother. That isn't to say I'd be "milking the system" if I did apply; I'm eligible and legally/legitimately entitled to them. But I think other people need them more, so I don't bother. My point being, the concept of "welfare abuse" is really more a chckenshit way of saying "I just want all entitlements canceled jut because". Just say you don't believe in them rather than make up a fictious, usually thinly racist, reason.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 18:27:52 GMT -5
I'm from Mississippi...worked at a grocery store growing up....i can say most of the folks getting even just food stamps shouldn't have beekln getting them That's cool. I had the same type of job growing up and I'm pretty sure you can't tell someone's personal life that well by how they dress and what they drive. It's making a lot of assumptions that I could do a good job explaining away. Also, if we're talking about what they buy in the store, that's easily explained, too. My experience on this subject comes from knowing people who work in these social services departments. The people who deal directly with their information. It also comes from knowing a lot of these types of people on a very personal level. Again though, not to say that there aren't people abusing the system. Just saying to get to the conclusion that abuse is widespread and rampant is almost entirely based on personal opinions and assumptions. Most people that talk about the kind of things you're referring to tend to not have those experiences often. Also, these days EBT cards work with the debit/credit card systems and you're less likely to know who is using them. Great..except someone on food stamps shouldnt be at the store buying the new air jordans. And you can absolutely tell what people are like by the shoes they wear and the car they drive.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 18:32:44 GMT -5
The mere concept of welfare abuse is a joke because TANF pays out about $160 a month, you must hold a full time job's worth of hours a week, and it's a life time cap of 5 years. It's easier for people in the South and Midwest to "abuse" the system because its eligibility is set on the federal poverty line and the South has a dramatically lower cost of living. That said "people who need it" is a statement so subjective it's not worth bothering with. If I recall correctly (off the top o my head; don't quote me) about 50% of the people eligible for SNAP and TANF don't even apply. I could probably receive them if I desired; I'm a bar manager who makes $4/hr with tips and has a second part time job as a retail clerk at a cigar store. I probably rope in about $1k a month, depending on tips and whatnot. My rent in a good sized one-bedroom in the basement of an old building downtown is $360/month. I'm totally eligible for welfare, and it would be sweet not having to shell out $300 a month on groceries out of pocket. But I'm really able to handle my shit and even maintain a vinyl hobby, so I don't bother. That isn't to say I'd be "milking the system" if I did apply; I'm eligible and legally/legitimately entitled to them. But I think other people need them more, so I don't bother. My point being, the concept of "welfare abuse" is really more a chckenshit way of saying "I just want all entitlements canceled jut because". Just say you don't believe in them rather than make up a fictious, usually thinly racist, reason. Except what you're saying is completely wrong. Saying that people abuse the system doesn't mean "nobody should have welfare" its saying those people who abuse it shouldn't be on it. Hell get rid of those abusing and give more to the people who really need it. NOT the people who buy with food stamps and I'm taking the groceries to a brand new car while they bitch about the car payment.
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Post by Corey Black on Dec 19, 2016 18:34:00 GMT -5
That's such a hard thing to police, though.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 18:36:52 GMT -5
That's such a hard thing to police, though. This is the most true comment I've ever seen here
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 18:45:12 GMT -5
Great..except someone on food stamps shouldnt be at the store buying the new air jordans. And you can absolutely tell what people are like by the shoes they wear and the car they drive. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you somehow missed the explanations given by myself and Kidd Krazzy for why someone on food stamps can afford really nice things. I'll quote them here because I would like to see counter explanations. not sure your hating on this or not but its true, we have phones, cells but only cuz her mom pays for them so we can get calls from them and drs. we wil eventually be getting borrow their car, a nice one, cuz i hit a deer and messed ours up, so think all he was saying is unless you know the person you shouldnt judge them by what they have, mean my wife has name brand clothes as do the kids, all hand me downs that look new, shit isnt always as it seems. i think is all he is saying, now i also believe the system gets abused more than statistics show and people think there is always ways around stuff, growing up poor has taught me that much. No disrespect towards anyone ment here btw. Sorry, Bates, but I don't get what the image is saying. If you're disputing that, here's some explanations: some people will spend the money they have because how you look affects how people see you. This thread could not be more perfect in how that works so perfectly. It's an old sales tactic. Plus for all you know, their clothes and car were gifts or loans from friends. Or they borrowed those clothes/car. There's even more reasons someone on welfare has nice clothes or a nice car as well. Again, assumptions. If that's not what that image meant, my bad. One last thing. I REALLY do not think you understand how these systems work if you think they are this simple to abuse. Again, this just seems to be your assumptions based on what you've seen and your personal feelings on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 18:50:49 GMT -5
The mere concept of welfare abuse is a joke because TANF pays out about $160 a month, you must hold a full time job's worth of hours a week, and it's a life time cap of 5 years. It's easier for people in the South and Midwest to "abuse" the system because its eligibility is set on the federal poverty line and the South has a dramatically lower cost of living. That said "people who need it" is a statement so subjective it's not worth bothering with. If I recall correctly (off the top o my head; don't quote me) about 50% of the people eligible for SNAP and TANF don't even apply. I could probably receive them if I desired; I'm a bar manager who makes $4/hr with tips and has a second part time job as a retail clerk at a cigar store. I probably rope in about $1k a month, depending on tips and whatnot. My rent in a good sized one-bedroom in the basement of an old building downtown is $360/month. I'm totally eligible for welfare, and it would be sweet not having to shell out $300 a month on groceries out of pocket. But I'm really able to handle my shit and even maintain a vinyl hobby, so I don't bother. That isn't to say I'd be "milking the system" if I did apply; I'm eligible and legally/legitimately entitled to them. But I think other people need them more, so I don't bother. My point being, the concept of "welfare abuse" is really more a chckenshit way of saying "I just want all entitlements canceled jut because". Just say you don't believe in them rather than make up a fictious, usually thinly racist, reason. Except what you're saying is completely wrong. Saying that people abuse the system doesn't mean "nobody should have welfare" its saying those people who abuse it shouldn't be on it. Hell get rid of those abusing and give more to the people who really need it. NOT the people who buy with food stamps and I'm taking the groceries to a brand new car while they bitch about the car payment. How familiar are you on loans? You can get them if you have good credit rating even if your funds are limited and you're on food stamps. Many states have laws however that limit how expensive the car can be while still being allowed to stay on food stamps. there's also a concept such as co-signing where you can get a loan with help from someone else, who in this case, would likely not be on food stamps. I can go further with more explanations on why a person with food stamps can have car payments without abusing the system. Again, you're making assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 19:05:22 GMT -5
The amount of cigarette butts outside the community action center I worked for spoke volumes
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 19:43:34 GMT -5
Except what you're saying is completely wrong. Saying that people abuse the system doesn't mean "nobody should have welfare" its saying those people who abuse it shouldn't be on it. Hell get rid of those abusing and give more to the people who really need it. NOT the people who buy with food stamps and I'm taking the groceries to a brand new car while they bitch about the car payment. How familiar are you on loans? You can get them if you have good credit rating even if your funds are limited and you're on food stamps. Many states have laws however that limit how expensive the car can be while still being allowed to stay on food stamps. there's also a concept such as co-signing where you can get a loan with help from someone else, who in this case, would likely not be on food stamps. I can go further with more explanations on why a person with food stamps can have car payments without abusing the system. Again, you're making assumptions. There are no assumptions being made. If you can't afford to fuckkingbfeed yourself, you can't afford a brand fucking new car. It's not exactly hard to understand
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