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Post by Lilith on Dec 19, 2016 19:47:47 GMT -5
How familiar are you on loans? You can get them if you have good credit rating even if your funds are limited and you're on food stamps. Many states have laws however that limit how expensive the car can be while still being allowed to stay on food stamps. there's also a concept such as co-signing where you can get a loan with help from someone else, who in this case, would likely not be on food stamps. I can go further with more explanations on why a person with food stamps can have car payments without abusing the system. Again, you're making assumptions. There are no assumptions being made. If you can't afford to fuckkingbfeed yourself, you can't afford a brand fucking new car. It's not exactly hard to understand Don't tell me what I can't afford! YOU'RE NOT MY REAL DAD!!! *Runs off crying*
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 19:52:31 GMT -5
How familiar are you on loans? You can get them if you have good credit rating even if your funds are limited and you're on food stamps. Many states have laws however that limit how expensive the car can be while still being allowed to stay on food stamps. there's also a concept such as co-signing where you can get a loan with help from someone else, who in this case, would likely not be on food stamps. I can go further with more explanations on why a person with food stamps can have car payments without abusing the system. Again, you're making assumptions. There are no assumptions being made. If you can't afford to fuckkingbfeed yourself, you can't afford a brand fucking new car. It's not exactly hard to understand Yep, already explained the part about having new cars in multiple ways now but hey if you want to just spout ignorant comments and ignore my arguments, more power to you. It's an assumption though. If it wasn't, you would have explained how you knew these people personally and knew their exact situation. But hey argue against definitions of words, too.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 19:55:38 GMT -5
That's fine..keep being ignorant. Also..i knew these people personally. Also I grew up dirt poor. Those shoes that were a size too small and had holes in them sure were fuckin nice I wore.
Can't afford to eat, ya can't afford new air jordans every time a new pair came out and a Cadillac. Also couldn't afford all the cigs and beer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 20:01:03 GMT -5
That's fine..keep being ignorant. Also..i knew these people personally. Also I grew up dirt poor. Those shoes that were a size too small and had holes in them sure were fuckin nice I wore. Can't afford to eat, ya can't afford new air jordans every time a new pair came out and a Cadillac. Also couldn't afford all the cigs and beer. I already explained my knowledge on the subject, so I'm not being ignorant. Odd how I pointed out multiple times that you don't know these people and when I call you out on that directly, knowledge of these people personally magically appears. As for you being poor and knowing what these people can afford makes no difference as I explained why they could still have nice things. One of the other handlers in this fed gave personal examples so I guess you think he's abusing the system, too. At least I was capable of admitting there are exceptions. From your perspective there seems to be no exceptions of poor people with nice things not abusing the system. That kind of approach to debates makes arguing with someone like you pointless. Noted for the future.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 20:13:41 GMT -5
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Small town..everybody knows everybody. My buddy Rods parents weren't married. Everything is in his moms name. She got welfare for the kids while his dad paid all the bills. One example there. And those situations are rampant because its hard to prove. Family members on welfare..selling foidstamps for drug money.. Or drugs themselves. I call bullshit on you working in a grocery store. Folks who need welfare can't afford brand new cars. That's a fact. Decent car? Sure. Brand new caddy? No.
Meanwhile, we aren't eating some nights.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 20:18:11 GMT -5
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Small town..everybody knows everybody. My buddy Rods parents weren't married. Everything is in his moms name. She got welfare for the kids while his dad paid all the bills. One example there. And those situations are rampant because its hard to prove. Family members on welfare..selling foidstamps for drug money.. Or drugs themselves. I call bullshit on you working in a grocery store. Folks who need welfare can't afford brand new cars. That's a fact. Decent car? Sure. Brand new caddy? No. Meanwhile, we aren't eating some nights. They can't afford new car? You don't know how loans work. You don't know how co-signing works. Say I'm lying about working at a grocery store but like all of your arguments you bring nothing to dispute it but personal anecdotes. "I couldn't afford a new car or nice things so no one else could" LOL ok. I have provided many points to counter everything you're saying.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 20:54:27 GMT -5
Let's cool it down folks. Nothing wrong with a discussion, but lets not turn it into an argument. Remember that personal experiences may vary. This is a very sensitive topic, but let's try to keep it in check.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 21, 2016 21:11:59 GMT -5
You have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Small town..everybody knows everybody. My buddy Rods parents weren't married. Everything is in his moms name. She got welfare for the kids while his dad paid all the bills. One example there. And those situations are rampant because its hard to prove. Family members on welfare..selling foidstamps for drug money.. Or drugs themselves. I call bullshit on you working in a grocery store. Folks who need welfare can't afford brand new cars. That's a fact. Decent car? Sure. Brand new caddy? No. Meanwhile, we aren't eating some nights. They can't afford new car? You don't know how loans work. You don't know how co-signing works. Say I'm lying about working at a grocery store but like all of your arguments you bring nothing to dispute it but personal anecdotes. "I couldn't afford a new car or nice things so no one else could" LOL ok. I have provided many points to counter everything you're saying. Sigh..i know how fucking loans work. I'll be paying off mine till the day I die. And again..if you can't afford to feed yourself, you can't afford to pay for a brand new car. I get it..youre a bleeding heart liberal who doesn't understand how shit actually works..but if you can't afford food, you aren't paying a car note PLUS the insurance needed....especially a brand new EXPENSIVE car....like a Cadillac. Shit dont work that way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 21:23:25 GMT -5
No you don't know how they work because you obviously have no idea how co-signing a loan works. If you did and you knew that I was wrong about it you would be able to explain it. Instead of doing that, you just keep repeating that if you can't afford food, you can't afford a car loan.
You don't know if their loan has a co-signer. You don't know how they're paying the loans. You don't know the terms of the loan or who specifically gave them the loan which makes a big difference. You're doing nothing but making assumptions.
Your personal anecdotes mean nothing because what happens to YOU does not mean it works the same way for everyone else. I have experience with loans as well and my experience is different. Why does that make your opinion correct?
I'll ignore the bleeding heart liberal comments and what was said afterwards because I'm not going to contribute towards making this conversation go down the road of insults.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2016 21:31:10 GMT -5
You know what? This is obviously going nowhere and I don't feel like repeating the concept of co-signing loans for the umpteenth time as it's ignored for the sake of personal anecdotes so feel free to have the last word.
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Post by 6ix God on Dec 25, 2016 2:11:57 GMT -5
The mere concept of welfare abuse is a joke because TANF pays out about $160 a month, you must hold a full time job's worth of hours a week, and it's a life time cap of 5 years. It's easier for people in the South and Midwest to "abuse" the system because its eligibility is set on the federal poverty line and the South has a dramatically lower cost of living. That said "people who need it" is a statement so subjective it's not worth bothering with. If I recall correctly (off the top o my head; don't quote me) about 50% of the people eligible for SNAP and TANF don't even apply. I could probably receive them if I desired; I'm a bar manager who makes $4/hr with tips and has a second part time job as a retail clerk at a cigar store. I probably rope in about $1k a month, depending on tips and whatnot. My rent in a good sized one-bedroom in the basement of an old building downtown is $360/month. I'm totally eligible for welfare, and it would be sweet not having to shell out $300 a month on groceries out of pocket. But I'm really able to handle my shit and even maintain a vinyl hobby, so I don't bother. That isn't to say I'd be "milking the system" if I did apply; I'm eligible and legally/legitimately entitled to them. But I think other people need them more, so I don't bother. My point being, the concept of "welfare abuse" is really more a chckenshit way of saying "I just want all entitlements canceled jut because". Just say you don't believe in them rather than make up a fictious, usually thinly racist, reason. Except what you're saying is completely wrong. Saying that people abuse the system doesn't mean "nobody should have welfare" its saying those people who abuse it shouldn't be on it. Hell get rid of those abusing and give more to the people who really need it. NOT the people who buy with food stamps and I'm taking the groceries to a brand new car while they bitch about the car payment. So define "welfare abuse". Define "who should not be on it." My point is there's a difference between federal eligibility and what you think constitutes "someone needing it." That's a judgement call and you have no right to throw that around as an argument: you're not a judge or a legislator. Instead of anecdotes, you need to provide hard numbers and evidence, as I did above, not just scream "I'M RIGHT DAMNIT I'M RIGHT". You also can't call something "abuse" when it's people legally eligible for those benefits taking advantage of them.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 11, 2017 7:37:06 GMT -5
LINDA MCMAHON.
Politics are gay lol
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Post by John Rabid on Jan 11, 2017 9:30:26 GMT -5
LINDA MCMAHON. Politics are gay lol RP Orbit, we need you!
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Post by Seth on Jan 25, 2017 2:18:18 GMT -5
So does anyone know how this went? Trump is doing so much crazy shit I'm not seeing news about his crazy appointees anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 13:30:32 GMT -5
So does anyone know how this went? Trump is signing so many executive orders, an action normalized and glorified by President Obama, and fulfilling so many of his campaign promises, I'm not seeing news about his well qualified appointees anymore, probably because most of them haven't even been approved yet, and the chance of any of them being rejected is so remote and unrealistic that the only reason it was discussed was the sheer desperation and lunacy of the establishment left trying to do literally anything to prevent a peaceful transition of power, but just like with the plea for electoral college coup, it will most likely backfire gloriously and give the Trump supporters another win. FTFY
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 26, 2017 12:03:27 GMT -5
STUPID FACTS GAHH
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 12:41:06 GMT -5
Yeah you stupid republican, it was ONLY ONE HUNDRED SIXTY EIGHT executive orders
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 12:53:03 GMT -5
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 26, 2017 16:54:47 GMT -5
My graphic is a year or two old, somewhere during his second term. But you've missed the point. Executive orders are regular shit that every president does, it's not "unconstitutional" or an "overreach of power" or whatever else they were saying for his entire presidency. That being said, at 275, you're looking at a very average number of executive orders (a lower number, but close enough where I'll call it average) in comparison to every other president in the last century. So my point with the graphic is, he didn't "normalize" or "glorify" the action, rather the Republicans (and "conservative entertainment") greatly exaggerated the significance of executive orders and created the illusion that it was some type of dictator-style action that was unheard of before he took office.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2017 17:01:25 GMT -5
My graphic is a year or two old, somewhere during his second term. But you've missed the point. Executive orders are regular shit that every president does, it's not "unconstitutional" or an "overreach of power" or whatever else they were saying for his entire presidency. That being said, at 275, you're looking at a very average number of executive orders (a lower number, but close enough where I'll call it average) in comparison to every other president in the last century. So my point with the graphic is, he didn't "normalize" or "glorify" the action, rather the Republicans (and "conservative entertainment") greatly exaggerated the significance of executive orders and created the illusion that it was some type of dictator-style action that was unheard of before he took office. And now the liberals are doing the exact same thing with Trump. No other president blatantly said "we don't need congress, I can do whatever with a pen and a phone." Trump hasn't. Did you think Obama had too much power? Does Trump have too much power now? Things to think about.
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