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Post by jasoncash on Dec 18, 2016 16:57:23 GMT -5
Its not really about giving money. It's about them not giving a shit about anything BUT money. I mean..his fucking labor secretary pick is a guy who wants to get rid of labor. And did I see the CEO of fucking exon mobile as secretary of state? Dudes appointing his billionaire buds. Saw that shit coming
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:04:16 GMT -5
Isn't is just so sad that when people earn their own money they don't just go throwing it around to all the bums who won't get a job Try venturing outside your little safe space and maybe you'll realize that charity isn't always about giving money to people who don't work for it. There's plenty of charities that have nothing to do with giving people free money. Also, all people who have their hand out asking for help are not bums. But I mean hey, it's just way easier to put zero thought into these topics and just assume they're all bums right? People who make that assumption have zero clue what they're talking about on the subject. Yes, there are lazy bums out there who want charity, but they are not in the majority in these welfare programs. Its not really about giving money. It's about them not giving a shit about anything BUT money. I mean..his fucking labor secretary pick is a guy who wants to get rid of labor. And did I see the CEO of fucking exon mobile as secretary of state? Dudes appointing his billionaire buds. Saw that shit coming Well that's all because Trump wants to bomb Middle Eastern countries so we can take their oil. When that's your aim, having the CEO of Exxon Mobil is the perfect choice for Secretary of State.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:08:56 GMT -5
Also just to be clear on my comments regarding giving money and charities so that this doesn't turn into an argument about bums and welfare, some of the top people on the Forbes 400 who are known for donating their money do so by helping build schools, they donate millions to schools to give the school more materials for teaching. That's just one example of the more charitable people on the Forbes 400 list. Again, charities are not just about giving people money that some of you believe don't deserve it. It's sad when people look down upon charity and consider it just giving bums free money.
Also, I sincerely hope that no one in your family has ever had to ask for help through welfare programs or the like. Often times you'll be surprised to find that you have those people in your family or close circle of friends (I'm sure if you dug around hard enough you'd find them), but that doesn't make them bums. I've had family who needed help for a while but the entire time they were trying to get themselves out of that rut, and they eventually did. They didn't end up in that rut because they were bums. They were real people with real situations that they couldn't help.
But hey, if you DO have those types of people in your family and they are NOT bums, I also sincerely hope that they don't hear you say that about them.
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Post by Dionysus on Dec 19, 2016 9:29:13 GMT -5
Isn't is just so sad that when people earn their own money they don't just go throwing it around to all the bums who won't get a job Here's hoping you don't live in a northern state. This would absolutely make you furious.
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Post by Kidd Krazzy on Dec 19, 2016 9:30:19 GMT -5
Also just to be clear on my comments regarding giving money and charities so that this doesn't turn into an argument about bums and welfare, some of the top people on the Forbes 400 who are known for donating their money do so by helping build schools, they donate millions to schools to give the school more materials for teaching. That's just one example of the more charitable people on the Forbes 400 list. Again, charities are not just about giving people money that some of you believe don't deserve it. It's sad when people look down upon charity and consider it just giving bums free money. Also, I sincerely hope that no one in your family has ever had to ask for help through welfare programs or the like. Often times you'll be surprised to find that you have those people in your family or close circle of friends (I'm sure if you dug around hard enough you'd find them), but that doesn't make them bums. I've had family who needed help for a while but the entire time they were trying to get themselves out of that rut, and they eventually did. They didn't end up in that rut because they were bums. They were real people with real situations that they couldn't help. But hey, if you DO have those types of people in your family and they are NOT bums, I also sincerely hope that they don't hear you say that about them. thanks dude... im on welfare. and i work, so does my wife.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 9:34:50 GMT -5
Also just to be clear on my comments regarding giving money and charities so that this doesn't turn into an argument about bums and welfare, some of the top people on the Forbes 400 who are known for donating their money do so by helping build schools, they donate millions to schools to give the school more materials for teaching. That's just one example of the more charitable people on the Forbes 400 list. Again, charities are not just about giving people money that some of you believe don't deserve it. It's sad when people look down upon charity and consider it just giving bums free money. Also, I sincerely hope that no one in your family has ever had to ask for help through welfare programs or the like. Often times you'll be surprised to find that you have those people in your family or close circle of friends (I'm sure if you dug around hard enough you'd find them), but that doesn't make them bums. I've had family who needed help for a while but the entire time they were trying to get themselves out of that rut, and they eventually did. They didn't end up in that rut because they were bums. They were real people with real situations that they couldn't help. But hey, if you DO have those types of people in your family and they are NOT bums, I also sincerely hope that they don't hear you say that about them. thanks dude... im on welfare. and i work, so does my wife. No problem, bro. Hope you guys can work your way out of that. I know it has to be frustrating while still a relief that you can get help anyway.
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Post by Kidd Krazzy on Dec 19, 2016 9:40:32 GMT -5
thanks dude... im on welfare. and i work, so does my wife. No problem, bro. Hope you guys can work your way out of that. I know it has to be frustrating while still a relief that you can get help anyway. if wasnt for the kids we wouldnt even try to get it. but with everything going wrong right now im very thankful there are places that help. just sucks cuz most of the country ether abuses it or looks down on people who need help, the shit gets old. we work, dont do drugs, and try our asses off, getting help is embarrassing enough specially for prideful people who left home early and have worked since age 16... without people consistently judging, but shit happens and unfortunately thats life.
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Post by Dionysus on Dec 19, 2016 9:46:45 GMT -5
No problem, bro. Hope you guys can work your way out of that. I know it has to be frustrating while still a relief that you can get help anyway. if wasnt for the kids we wouldnt even try to get it. but with everything going wrong right now im very thankful there are places that help. just sucks cuz most of the country ether abuses it or looks down on people who need help, the shit gets old. we work, dont do drugs, and try our asses off, getting help is embarrassing enough specially for prideful people who left home early and have worked since age 16... without people consistently judging, but shit happens and unfortunately thats life. If it is any consolation, the belief that most on welfare are abusing the system is a false statement. In fact, welfare abuse is under 10%, last I checked. I'll need to find a source or two to back that statement, but I think that was the number.
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Post by Kidd Krazzy on Dec 19, 2016 9:55:50 GMT -5
if wasnt for the kids we wouldnt even try to get it. but with everything going wrong right now im very thankful there are places that help. just sucks cuz most of the country ether abuses it or looks down on people who need help, the shit gets old. we work, dont do drugs, and try our asses off, getting help is embarrassing enough specially for prideful people who left home early and have worked since age 16... without people consistently judging, but shit happens and unfortunately thats life. If it is any consolation, the belief that most on welfare are abusing the system is a false statement. In fact, welfare abuse is under 10%, last I checked. I'll need to find a source or two to back that statement, but I think that was the number. im glad to hear that, but i also know it happens, my mom use to trade the stamps, back when it was paper for drugs... few my friends, who are idiots take people to get food in exchange for shit, i hate when people abuse shit it makes rest us look bad.
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Post by jasoncash on Dec 19, 2016 11:30:08 GMT -5
if wasnt for the kids we wouldnt even try to get it. but with everything going wrong right now im very thankful there are places that help. just sucks cuz most of the country ether abuses it or looks down on people who need help, the shit gets old. we work, dont do drugs, and try our asses off, getting help is embarrassing enough specially for prideful people who left home early and have worked since age 16... without people consistently judging, but shit happens and unfortunately thats life. If it is any consolation, the belief that most on welfare are abusing the system is a false statement. In fact, welfare abuse is under 10%, last I checked. I'll need to find a source or two to back that statement, but I think that was the number. Fuck..more than that. Thos women on welfare cause they're "single" moms who have baby daddy living with them paying all the bills usually dont get added to that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 12:33:43 GMT -5
If it is any consolation, the belief that most on welfare are abusing the system is a false statement. In fact, welfare abuse is under 10%, last I checked. I'll need to find a source or two to back that statement, but I think that was the number. Fuck..more than that. Thos women on welfare cause they're "single" moms who have baby daddy living with them paying all the bills usually dont get added to that. I don't think most people know that those kind of situations are dealt with more often than they are missed. There are exceptions where people are not caught for long periods of time, but the government is a lot more thorough on catching these abusers than most people realize. They're often caught and kicked out of section 8 housing or wherever they're doing this at.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 13:07:06 GMT -5
Isn't is just so sad that when people earn their own money they don't just go throwing it around to all the bums who won't get a job Try venturing outside your little safe space and maybe you'll realize that charity isn't always about giving money to people who don't work for it. There's plenty of charities that have nothing to do with giving people free money. Also, all people who have their hand out asking for help are not bums. But I mean hey, it's just way easier to put zero thought into these topics and just assume they're all bums right? People who make that assumption have zero clue what they're talking about on the subject. Yes, there are lazy bums out there who want charity, but they are not in the majority in these welfare programs. Its not really about giving money. It's about them not giving a shit about anything BUT money. I mean..his fucking labor secretary pick is a guy who wants to get rid of labor. And did I see the CEO of fucking exon mobile as secretary of state? Dudes appointing his billionaire buds. Saw that shit coming Well that's all because Trump wants to bomb Middle Eastern countries so we can take their oil. When that's your aim, having the CEO of Exxon Mobil is the perfect choice for Secretary of State. Must be even "way easier to put zero thought" into recognizing satire, eh?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 13:18:52 GMT -5
Considering I was around when you first joined and saw your opinions on politics and other subjects, no I didn't think for a second it was satire.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 13:59:05 GMT -5
if wasnt for the kids we wouldnt even try to get it. but with everything going wrong right now im very thankful there are places that help. just sucks cuz most of the country ether abuses it or looks down on people who need help, the shit gets old. we work, dont do drugs, and try our asses off, getting help is embarrassing enough specially for prideful people who left home early and have worked since age 16... without people consistently judging, but shit happens and unfortunately thats life. If it is any consolation, the belief that most on welfare are abusing the system is a false statement. In fact, welfare abuse is under 10%, last I checked. I'll need to find a source or two to back that statement, but I think that was the number. Please do find the source for that. I'm afraid I don't believe that statistic at all. I've known quite a few people who received welfare, and the majority that I know were "milking the system", and did not need to be on welfare. That being said, not everyone who receives welfare is like that. There are people who truly need it. I am against government giving welfare, but not because I don't care about those people that need it. I'm of the belief that charity should be voluntary, not mandatory. I am fully in favor of donating to worthwhile charities (be careful, not all are worthwhile). I'm just not in favor of the government using our money to do it. This means they donate to charities that I may not support. If you're anti-abortion then you're not going to support them paying out to Planned Parenthood and another "pro-choice" groups. If you're of the belief that the welfare system is overrun by people abusing the system, then you're not going to want to keep paying for what you believe is a broken system. It shouldn't be mandatory, but it should happen voluntarily.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 14:12:11 GMT -5
I imagine he found it at this link: www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-toI know multiple people who work in social services in different states here in the South in places where poverty is high and they rarely find people milking the system who get away with it for any real length of time. Sorry for the vagueness but any more specific than that and I would be spilling info I'm not supposed to know. As mentioned in another post, most abusing it are caught really quickly after violating the rules of the system. Either the places I'm talking about are super strict and do their job properly or the people in the areas where you see them getting away with it are really lax and the social workers aren't doing their jobs. Also an other misconception seems to be that many welfare abusers are huge drug users, but the states that have started testing them in recent years have turned out less than 5 percent who tested positive, wasting millions in taxpayer money.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Dec 19, 2016 14:21:50 GMT -5
Again, I'm not sure I believe that number being 10%. I live in the South, I was born here, I grew up here, and I see plenty of people, at least in the high Urban areas such as Memphis, Nashville, and Atlanta, abuse the system.
I do think it more depends on where you're at too. If you're in a place like Memphis or Atlanta, then yes a large number will be abusing it. If you're in a Smalltown, USA then maybe not so much.
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Post by Dionysus on Dec 19, 2016 14:24:42 GMT -5
I imagine he found it at this link: www.cbpp.org/research/contrary-to-entitlement-society-rhetoric-over-nine-tenths-of-entitlement-benefits-go-toI know multiple people who work in social services in different states here in the South in places where poverty is high and they rarely find people milking the system who get away with it for any real length of time. Sorry for the vagueness but any more specific than that and I would be spilling info I'm not supposed to know. As mentioned in another post, most abusing it are caught really quickly after violating the rules of the system. Either the places I'm talking about are super strict and do their job properly or the people in the areas where you see them getting away with it are really lax and the social workers aren't doing their jobs. Also an other misconception seems to be that many welfare abusers are huge drug users, but the states that have started testing them in recent years have turned out less than 5 percent who tested positive, wasting millions in taxpayer money. Aaaah. Bates, disregard that statement. It was the second one Gravedigger mentioned that I was referring to. Whoops. XD
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Post by Kidd Krazzy on Dec 19, 2016 14:29:40 GMT -5
Im from Il and we are one the shittist states in us right now, all i wanted point out is though i dont do drugs there are ways around drug test unfortunately so idk if to trust the numbers or not.
my parnets use to find all kinds of ways around drug test including useing us kids
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 14:55:12 GMT -5
All drug tests should be hair folicle tests. Railroads use them and they are guaranteed to go back six months exactly and are highly sensitive.
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Post by Stephen Singh on Dec 19, 2016 15:00:16 GMT -5
Again, I'm not sure I believe that number being 10%. I live in the South, I was born here, I grew up here, and I see plenty of people, at least in the high Urban areas such as Memphis, Nashville, and Atlanta, abuse the system. I do think it more depends on where you're at too. If you're in a place like Memphis or Atlanta, then yes a large number will be abusing it. If you're in a Smalltown, USA then maybe not so much. Can I get a source on that "city people bad, country people good" claim? Because by the pure numbers then yes due to population density there's bound to be more abusers in the cities but if we're talkng about it by percentage of population as abusers, I'm less inclined to blindly believe that pretense.
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