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Post by Corey Black on Feb 9, 2017 11:37:40 GMT -5
First of all, it's not just a simple change from lion to wolf. You're even quoting the scripture where it says dwell. It's not saying the wolf will lay down with the lamb. It says shall dwell with the lamb. As for the usage of the word ALSO, I see you are not someone who typically looks at more than one translation. Go to BibleGateway or wherever you look up scripture that has multiple translations. I believe KJV and any other directly related translations are the only ones that use the word also. KJV has a different style. I've also seen sites, and can link you to one, that talks about the concept of lion and lamb and how it was never a direct reference to a specific verse. It was taken from two different verses in Isaiah and put together to create the image of the lion and the lamb. This site I'm referring to was NOT addressing the Mandela effect or the idea that it was once lion and lamb. This was a completely unrelated page on a religious website.The idea of Jesus Christ being the lamb initially and the lion later on didn't come directly from this verse. I'd also like to point out to you that the Devil is referred to as a Lion more than once as well (1 Peter 5:8). I asked a preacher friend of mine about this. I'll let you know what he says when he responds. Considering the state of robotics now coupled with the AI on computers and in games, I don't see 15 years being that much of a stretch to believe. Not sure if you saying that is you claiming the idea is bullshit. I've never met a Satanist who actually worships Satan. I don't think you understand what Satanists actually are. This is like saying Wiccans have cauldrons and practice magic. I encourage you to speak to a few Satanists. Uhhh....Satanists worship Satan and beleive God's word is a lie........so......yea... This will not be an argument, but no. Not exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2017 11:41:52 GMT -5
Uhhh....Satanists worship Satan and beleive God's word is a lie........so......yea... Awesome, my experience with close friends who are Satanists, and there have been a lot over the years, do not worship Satan. Yes, they do believe God's word is a lie but so does nearly everyone who is not Jewish or Christian. Again, common misconceptions about any group out there no matter what religion or lack of religion that we're talking about. Satanists do not believe Satan is an actual person or figure. It's a symbolic reference. Like I told Twilight, maybe try and speak to a few of them first?
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Post by Steve Orbit on Feb 9, 2017 11:48:41 GMT -5
Satanism is an atheist system of belief. They dont worship anything-- well, they worship themself technically. It's the ultimate selfish, self centered belief system. Satan is only a symbol of human freedom and of indulgence to Satanic people. They absolutely do not worship Satan.
This is modern LaVeyan Satanism, I'm sure there were "Satanic" groups throughout history that maybe did worship Satan and all that but nowadays if somebody says they are Satanic they are talking about LaVey Satanic.
As for the CERN stuff, there's a lot of theories about what it will produce. Theories. As far as I know nothing has been observed regarding parallel universes or extra dimensions. That stuff is exciting and I try to follow it closely. Even with that being said I think it is a stretch to say that the LHC has anything to do with changing history or rewriting books. Its more likely a fallible human memory phenomenon. The Bible one is interesting but so are all of the dozens of other Mandala "examples" that have been proven to be misremembering.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 9, 2017 11:53:47 GMT -5
This will not be an argument, but no. Not exactly. CD, you're in WCF... everything is an argument here lol just some are nicer than others is all
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Post by 6ix God on Feb 9, 2017 11:59:31 GMT -5
Uhhh....Satanists worship Satan and beleive God's word is a lie........so......yea... Awesome, my experience with close friends who are Satanists, and there have been a lot over the years, do not worship Satan. Yes, they do believe God's word is a lie but so does nearly everyone who is not Jewish or Christian. Again, common misconceptions about any group out there no matter what religion or lack of religion that we're talking about. Satanists do not believe Satan is an actual person or figure. It's a symbolic reference. Like I told Twilight, maybe try and speak to a few of them first? I feel there's a little clarification to be made: -LaVeyan (atheist) Satanist do not worship Satan. They use Satan as a symbol for the rejection of religion and essentially follow a form of hedonistic atheism with esoteric elements appropriated from Crowleyism as a mockery of religious rituals. -Theistic Satanism sees Lucifer as a bearer of enlightenment and personal freedom. They worship Satan but view him through a different lens than Christians do, where they consider God's law to be dogmatic, inflexible, and draconian.
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Post by erikblack on Feb 9, 2017 11:59:46 GMT -5
Uhhh....Satanists worship Satan and beleive God's word is a lie........so......yea... Awesome, my experience with close friends who are Satanists, and there have been a lot over the years, do not worship Satan. Yes, they do believe God's word is a lie but so does nearly everyone who is not Jewish or Christian. Again, common misconceptions about any group out there no matter what religion or lack of religion that we're talking about. Satanists do not believe Satan is an actual person or figure. It's a symbolic reference. Like I told Twilight, maybe try and speak to a few of them first? Then you know aithirstic Satanists. There are those who worship satan
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 9, 2017 12:05:03 GMT -5
Awesome, my experience with close friends who are Satanists, and there have been a lot over the years, do not worship Satan. Yes, they do believe God's word is a lie but so does nearly everyone who is not Jewish or Christian. Again, common misconceptions about any group out there no matter what religion or lack of religion that we're talking about. Satanists do not believe Satan is an actual person or figure. It's a symbolic reference. Like I told Twilight, maybe try and speak to a few of them first? I feel there's a little clarification to be made: -LaVeyan (atheist) Satanist do not worship Satan. They use Satan as a symbol for the rejection of religion and essentially follow a form of hedonistic atheism with esoteric elements appropriated from Crowleyism as a mockery of religious rituals. -Theistic Satanism sees Lucifer as a bearer of enlightenment and personal freedom. They worship Satan but view him through a different lens than Christians do, where they consider God's law to be dogmatic, inflexible, and draconian. Serious question... but is there a single topic you aren't well versed in? lol you're one smart guy, Sharky...
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Post by 6ix God on Feb 9, 2017 12:21:38 GMT -5
I feel there's a little clarification to be made: -LaVeyan (atheist) Satanist do not worship Satan. They use Satan as a symbol for the rejection of religion and essentially follow a form of hedonistic atheism with esoteric elements appropriated from Crowleyism as a mockery of religious rituals. -Theistic Satanism sees Lucifer as a bearer of enlightenment and personal freedom. They worship Satan but view him through a different lens than Christians do, where they consider God's law to be dogmatic, inflexible, and draconian. Serious question... but is there a single topic you aren't well versed in? lol you're one smart guy, Sharky... I was a goth kid in high school; these were my friends lol.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Feb 9, 2017 12:34:49 GMT -5
As for the OP-- the bible is a huge book. If the argument is "people read it every day"... come on. People read a couple Psalms every day, they read Proverbs, or they read a few pages of one of the new Testament books. Unless you are doing a serious Bible Study, you probably aren't reading or examining the passage that has supposedly been changed on a daily, monthly or even yearly basis.
And this is besides the point that in Church you are really taking the Pastors word most of the time. You are listening to his interpretation, over and over again. How many times have people gone to church for years and believed something only to read the exact opposite or conflicting words in the Bible that they never knew were there. These are dedicated religious people who pray every day and go to church multiple times a week. Because people with faith are more concerned with their personal relationship with God and their fellowship rather than what one passage says or doesn't say. It's missing the whole point of religion to argue that every religious person memorizes every line of the bible so obviously they will be able to know when one word changes! Come on.
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Post by Odin Balfore on Feb 9, 2017 15:39:13 GMT -5
There over over 2k recognized deities. Everyone is athiest for something
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Post by Torture on Feb 9, 2017 23:17:52 GMT -5
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Post by Jeff Purse on Feb 10, 2017 8:46:36 GMT -5
Tl;dr Twilight you are literally the worst.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Feb 10, 2017 11:02:33 GMT -5
Because I find this topic interesting, I have been reading up on it a bit. Came across this, which is a nice, more in depth write up supporting my original thoughts which are posted above. I don't know anything about who wrote this but I agree 100%. Maybe I wrote it? IN AN ALTERNATE PARALLEL UNIVERSE www.nowtheendbegins.com/no-cern-mandela-effect-not-changed-king-james-bible/Also I specifically remember when Nelson Mandela died in 2013 because it was a pretty big deal, at least to me it was. CERNs definition of parallel dimensions is not the same as the sci fi pop culture definition. All you have to do is go on there official website to see that. Its like how there is matter but there should be an equal amount of anti matter, or how there are most likely dimensions of reality that cannot be observed or that the human mind cant comprehend or process.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 12:46:21 GMT -5
I would just like to point how ridiculous it is to take shots at using Google to try and disprove all this when Google is probably where almost all the information on this subject came from in the first place. I mean unless you just happened to stumble across books written on it in the library by some kind of top level scientists or people close to this phenomenon, then most of the arguments Twilight is making in this thread come from sites found via Google.
Using Google or Wikipedia to find information isn't a bad thing, it's just the sources you use in your Google Search or the sources on the Wikipedia pages themselves that are the issue.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 19:13:24 GMT -5
Gravedigger, I completely see your point and understand it. My thing is that google is not the be-all, end-all for information. As I mentioned earlier, navigate using google maps and find yourself quite a distance from where you SHOULD be and you'll understand that just because google says it is so, does not always make it so.
As far as the other websites in question, they may be overall owned by google, but the information put there isn't. I have seen videos where people have indeed used google to make a point, but in that instance it was to make a point for unreliability.
I also do want to say that I am not suggesting that google is just wrong on everything. It is absolutely a great source to get information.My point is, using google as an argument when someone tells you something changed ... is not going to help. If you really look, you will find residual evidence. But most people aren't going to do that. So to say "google says it's this, I'm right, you're wrong." doesn't really serve much purpose. Or to post a video where a guy reads and says "Nope, says this in what I'm reading. You're wrong." Doesn't actually do much to disprove anything whatsoever.
I mean, think about it from this perspective: Before the invention of television, a person saying that you can watch a moving picture, with sound of someone in New York, while you are in Florida would have sounded like lunacy to anyone not familiar with the technology or advances taking place.
If the technology was being held closely due to patents, or other things and there wasn't much information out there on it any research that you did conduct would support the idea that this person is crazy, and you're right. You just can't watch a moving picture with sound of someone in New York, while you're in Florida.
So, you can do research here, but if CERN and the D-wave, quantum computers really are changing things, what are you going to find? And, how much are they actually going to tell us if things are still in the experimental phase? Do you think this information is just going to be made readily available? "Hey guys, we're fucking around with stuff and some things are changing but don't worry, we know what we're doing!"
I'd also like to point out that Google is in possession of one of the 2 largest D-Wave computers currently active, so it is in their interest to NOT let any information out which is why, if you DID do any research on residual evidence ... it seems to start to disappear over time where you can't find it anymore.
Whenever a new effect surfaces, you can find residuals ... after it is passed around and known for a bit, that information is much harder to find.
I also want to mention that I do NOT think that every Mandela effect is valid. There are certainly some that truly ARE because of misremembering something, or mishearing something. Like Interview with a Vampire vs Interview with the Vampire, Sex and the City, Sex In the City ... that's just words sounding very similar to the ear and thinking of it as you heard it.
So yes, some of these can absolutely be dismissed. Others, not so much.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 20:20:23 GMT -5
I challenge everyone in this thread to do an experiment of your own.
Go and speak t 20 random people ... or more if you so wish.
Ask them to look at the Ford logo, and ask them if anything at all looks different to them.
Do not mention the Mandela effect.
Do not show them the logo as it is and the logo remembered by mandela effect people.
Do not influence them in any way.
Just have them look at a Ford car, truck, dealership logo, magazine ad logo or whatever.
The only question you ask is if they notice anything at all different, or if the logo looks normal. That's it.
This has been done multiple times and everyone who notices a difference will notice the very SAME difference.
If we were going on bad memory, there would be a wide variety of differences that people would see as "wrong" with the logo.
So if everyone who notices a difference, finds a difference in the same thing, without any influence or outside interference, what are the odds of this happening?
If you base this on a scale of probability, the odds are not only low ... they are astronomically low.
Because when you look at the Ford logo, there are many different elements that one could perceive as a change if it is indeed the individual's memory being affected by the external environment.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 20:46:03 GMT -5
"Jeez Dag, you're such a dumb conservative for not wanting to smoke weed, why don't you just hit that kush"
Boy i duno guys
I dunno
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Post by Wade Moor on Feb 10, 2017 20:50:01 GMT -5
"Jeez Dag, you're such a dumb conservative for not wanting to smoke weed, why don't you just hit that kush" Boy i duno guys I dunno
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 20:51:51 GMT -5
If you don't wanna do the experiment, then don't.
But in the same token, don't respond here unless you can definitively rebuke what I have said. Which, you can't. Or, if you want to add something constructive to the conversation. Which many have, some have not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:09:41 GMT -5
If you don't wanna do the experiment, then don't. But in the same token, don't respond here unless you can definitively rebuke what I have said. Which, you can't. Or, if you want to add something constructive to the conversation. Which many have, some have not. Holy fuck dude, I don't want to sound mean because I'm laughing right now so don't take this too hard, but we can pretty much rebuke what you said by telling you there is no evidence that paralell universes are fucking with the titles of children's books ok
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