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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:11:36 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that Google is in possession of one of the 2 largest D-Wave computers currently active, so it is in their interest to NOT let any information out which is why, if you DID do any research on residual evidence ... it seems to start to disappear over time where you can't find it anymore. While I'm open minded enough to believe that there's always a chance that organizations with control over information may bury them, a lot of this is coming from a lack of understanding of how search engines work. Information that was once easier to find on Google can slowly become harder to find for a variety of reasons. Websites disappear all the time for a number of reasons which can be something as simple as losing hosting accounts or domains. It can be from shutting down the site willingly for a number of reasons. It can be due to being shut down due to possession of copyright information or a myriad of other legal reasons. Then there's the fact that there's a such thing as search engine algorithms which change every year from the big search engine companies like Google, etc. Not for conspiracy reasons, but because of how search engines work. I deal with these kind of issues daily in web development and SEO. Again, yeah, there's always the chance that there's some sinister reason for websites and information online disappearing, but more often than not it's for one of the reasons I've just described.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:13:52 GMT -5
Holy fuck dude, I don't want to sound mean because I'm laughing right now so don't take this too hard, but we can pretty much rebuke what you said by telling you there is no evidence that paralell universes are fucking with the titles of children's books ok[/quote] There's also no evidence that they are not. Thanks, come again.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:17:50 GMT -5
I'd also like to point out that Google is in possession of one of the 2 largest D-Wave computers currently active, so it is in their interest to NOT let any information out which is why, if you DID do any research on residual evidence ... it seems to start to disappear over time where you can't find it anymore. While I'm open minded enough to believe that there's always a chance that organizations with control over information may bury them, a lot of this is coming from a lack of understanding of how search engines work. Information that was once easier to find on Google can slowly become harder to find for a variety of reasons. Websites disappear all the time for a number of reasons which can be something as simple as losing hosting accounts or domains. It can be from shutting down the site willingly for a number of reasons. It can be due to being shut down due to possession of copyright information or a myriad of other legal reasons. Then there's the fact that there's a such thing as search engine algorithms which change every year from the big search engine companies like Google, etc. Not for conspiracy reasons, but because of how search engines work. I deal with these kind of issues daily in web development and SEO. Again, yeah, there's always the chance that there's some sinister reason for websites and information online disappearing, but more often than not it's for one of the reasons I've just described. And I do agree this could very well be the case. I don't stand to accuse google of anything, I just wanted to point out some items. I see things that aren't right or how they used to be, and again I stress not ALL of the mandela effects pan out because they just don't. So I am looking at the ones where it is pretty blatant to me. Google COULD be withholding things in their interest, OR it could just be what you said. I have no sway in either direction when it comes to google really. There's nothing "eye popping" with them to make me firmly believe they are actively suppressing anything.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:24:56 GMT -5
While I'm open minded enough to believe that there's always a chance that organizations with control over information may bury them, a lot of this is coming from a lack of understanding of how search engines work. Information that was once easier to find on Google can slowly become harder to find for a variety of reasons. Websites disappear all the time for a number of reasons which can be something as simple as losing hosting accounts or domains. It can be from shutting down the site willingly for a number of reasons. It can be due to being shut down due to possession of copyright information or a myriad of other legal reasons. Then there's the fact that there's a such thing as search engine algorithms which change every year from the big search engine companies like Google, etc. Not for conspiracy reasons, but because of how search engines work. I deal with these kind of issues daily in web development and SEO. Again, yeah, there's always the chance that there's some sinister reason for websites and information online disappearing, but more often than not it's for one of the reasons I've just described. And I do agree this could very well be the case. I don't stand to accuse google of anything, I just wanted to point out some items. I see things that aren't right or how they used to be, and again I stress not ALL of the mandela effects pan out because they just don't. So I am looking at the ones where it is pretty blatant to me. Google COULD be withholding things in their interest, OR it could just be what you said. I have no sway in either direction when it comes to google really. There's nothing "eye popping" with them to make me firmly believe they are actively suppressing anything. Yeah you keep saying it might be true or might not be, but you keep initially saying these things in this topic as if they are obviously true until someone presents an opposite opinion backed with solid points. But it's up to you to prove that it's happening since you're bringing these things up in the first place. Showing us links to screenshots of logos changing or giving us experiments to ask people what they remember actually doesn't prove anything at all. I mean you were talking earlier in the thread about the lion and the lamb and I showed you a neutral example of a religious site talking about where the lion and the lamb comes from in the first place. I can say this as a Christian, using an example of people remembering one thing for hundreds of years in the Bible and turning out they were incorrect the whole time is a really bad example. Most religious people are easily swayed.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:25:32 GMT -5
Also, this will kinda support GD's post here but during the campaigns of Trump and Hillary, there were people SWEARING that Google was suppressing Hillary's misdeeds with the email scandal and whatever. They'd put "screenshots" into videos showing them searching google for "Hillary emails", "Hillary lies", "Hillary Corrupt" and get results that all showed her in a favorable light.
I did my own google search for these terms and got the same results as yahoo and bing, which were exactly what they were supposed to be. Nothing was hidden, nothing was withheld. So yeah, I don't have any serious reason to assume google would intentionally withhold information.
But this subject is a bit different where google may have stake in it, where I don't really think they did when it came to Hillary/Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:25:54 GMT -5
There is no evidence we are not all in someone's dream. Fuckin come at me bro.
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 10, 2017 21:27:00 GMT -5
There is no evidence we are not all in someone's dream. Fuckin come at me bro. Whoever's dream this is has a fucked up psyche.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Feb 10, 2017 21:27:26 GMT -5
I dont think anybody can definitively rebuke this stuff any more than you can definitively prove it's real. People are either gonna believe in it or not. There is no "hard evidence" no matter how many examples they can pull up.
The direct correlation between CERN and glitches in the matrix does not exist.
I'm not saying it's impossible because I am with you on a lot of the points regarding future technology and scientific discoveries that we have no way to comprehend or imagine at this time, just like 100 years ago they couldn't imagine where we are now. That is 100% true but that does absolutely nothing to support the Mandela Effect other than to say, just because we can't understand it doesn't mean it couldn't happen.
The direct correlation is what is missing. You could say global warming is causing it. You could say vaccines are fucking with peoples memories, you could say its aliens. These all have the same probability as the CERN theory IMO.
CERN is very cool and interesting. It will undoubtedly cause a great leap forward for mankind the same way the internet has. In 20, 30, 50 years I can't imagine the type of world we will live in. That's exciting.
The Mandela Effect is a conspiracy theory (CERN is fucking up the universe and hiding it from everyone) mixed with some interesting human brain memory tricks that I don't fully understand. But I'm not a psychologist or a memory specialist so why would I know?
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:30:55 GMT -5
GD, I am not saying they are obviously true. For me, it is. I have presented evidence to support what I have said. I only ask for evidence to the contrary to be supported.
Like for instance, if I show you lion/lamb from the 19th century ... can you show me wolf/lamb from the 19th century? Or are you going to say "the bible I read says wolf and lamb."
That's my point. I'm not saying that I won't accept evidence to the contrary, but when is this evidence from and where is it from? That is my entire point. We have stained glass images of the lion and lamb from churches from centuries ago where the verse now reads wolf. what are you providing to counter that? Google? someone reading a bible today in 2017? That's kinda my point here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:31:07 GMT -5
I dont think anybody can definitively rebuke this stuff any more than you can definitively prove it's real. People are either gonna believe in it or not. There is no "hard evidence" no matter how many examples they can pull up. The direct correlation between CERN and glitches in the matrix does not exist. I'm not saying it's impossible because I am with you on a lot of the points regarding future technology and scientific discoveries that we have no way to comprehend or imagine at this time, just like 100 years ago they couldn't imagine where we are now. That is 100% true but that does absolutely nothing to support the Mandela Effect other than to say, just because we can't understand it doesn't mean it couldn't happen. The direct correlation is what is missing. You could say global warming is causing it. You could say vaccines are fucking with peoples memories, you could say its aliens. These all have the same probability as the CERN theory IMO. CERN is very cool and interesting. It will undoubtedly cause a great leap forward for mankind the same way the internet has. In 20, 30, 50 years I can't imagine the type of world we will live in. That's exciting. The Mandela Effect is a conspiracy theory (CERN is fucking up the universe and hiding it from everyone) mixed with some interesting human brain memory tricks that I don't fully understand. But I'm not a psychologist or a memory specialist so why would I know? I have real life friends who believe that airplanes are dropping chemicals on us every day that is slowly brainwashing us. These guys also believe in Flat Earth.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Feb 10, 2017 21:34:38 GMT -5
There is no evidence we are not all in someone's dream. Fuckin come at me bro. This guy gets it.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:35:15 GMT -5
And as Orbit just said, I can no more prove to you than you can to me. I have only tried to show some evidence that SOMETHING is going on. I have my thoughts on what it may be, but that doesn't make me right. But from my own experiences I know something IS going on. And I am fully open to this discussion as I have been with you, and I have loved Orbit's input which has been very, very contributive.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:36:08 GMT -5
GD, I am not saying they are obviously true. For me, it is. I have presented evidence to support what I have said. I only ask for evidence to the contrary to be supported. Like for instance, if I show you lion/lamb from the 19th century ... can you show me wolf/lamb from the 19th century? Or are you going to say "the bible I read says wolf and lamb." That's my point. I'm not saying that I won't accept evidence to the contrary, but when is this evidence from and where is it from? That is my entire point. We have stained glass images of the lion and lamb from churches from centuries ago where the verse now reads wolf. what are you providing to counter that? Google? someone reading a bible today in 2017? That's kinda my point here. Did you actually look up the lion and lamb art and verify that it came from 19th century or are you going off of links and other research you've found online? How are you actually verifying that this stuff is from 19th century. Not arguing that part, honestly curious. Google doesn't have the entire history of art online. Looking up wolf/lamb art from the last couple hundred years would be difficult not just because it may not exist but also because it may not be popular. Which do you think is googled more? What group of people google it more? I've already explained the part about the lion and the lamb with links. I explained it very well in my post. You are purposely ignoring it because you don't want to be wrong. On the subject of the Mandela Effect, that is the number one "conspiracy". Obviously you don't want to be wrong about it because it unravels the entire phenomenon.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:36:43 GMT -5
And I forgot to put this in there after "from my own experiences, I know something IS going on." I DO realize that in your own experiences, something may NOT be going on and I fully understand that.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:40:40 GMT -5
What I was saying GD, is that the saying "In Like a Lion, Out Like a Lamb" for the month of March was from the late 18th century/early 19th century and was based on the bible referring to Jesus as both. Before that it was simply the season of Spring that came in like a lion, out like a lamb which was started by the Puritans in the 1600s. For the same reason, that Jesus is referred to as both.
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Post by Jeff Purse on Feb 10, 2017 21:47:30 GMT -5
THE worst
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 21:49:56 GMT -5
The last paragraph of my post wasn't talking about the art. I'm still referring to my original post about the lion and the lamb on page 4 of this thread. You ignored that post. You seemed to have ignored most of the points made against your original post and is why you're jumping around with other examples over and over as they are rebuked. Now you're talking as if no one has presented anything to the contrary for lion and the lamb? Please explain how my post on page 4 explained nothing and please refute it's points.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 21:54:42 GMT -5
The last paragraph of my post wasn't talking about the art. I'm still referring to my original post about the lion and the lamb on page 4 of this thread. You ignored that post. You seemed to have ignored most of the points made against your original post and is why you're jumping around with other examples over and over as they are rebuked. Now you're talking as if no one has presented anything to the contrary for lion and the lamb? Please explain how my post on page 4 explained nothing and please refute it's points. I have to go look at that, I may have missed it. I apologize for that, I will go and look for it now.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 10, 2017 22:03:59 GMT -5
GD, I will gladly look at the information you have regarding this. As far as verses being mixed to create the lion/lamb symbol.
As far as Jesus being referred to as both the lion and the lamb coming directly from that verse, no it isn't that. I think my response blended together but my point was that the BIBLE referred to Jesus as the Lion and the Lamb, not that verse. I apologize if my responses didn't make that clear.
I will also take a look at the verse you cited as for Satan being referred to as lion.
Thank you for the response, I will respond again once I have looked at all of this. But yeah, please give me the information/link to where the mixing of verses is talked about. Thanks!
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Post by Wade Moor on Feb 10, 2017 22:05:53 GMT -5
My whole thing with this is if, for example, the verse DID change, why wouldn't everything associated with it change? Why just the verse in the Bible? Why not the artwork as well, if in fact our conscious mind slipped?
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