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Post by Torture on Feb 2, 2017 18:23:46 GMT -5
>You get banned more than me. You're a fucking mark and I worked your ass. Now sit the fuck down. I'm a mark of your mom. I worked your moms ass. After I was done with her she couldn't sit down Lol I just buried my mom two weeks ago who died of Cancer. Thanks for your fun fucking jokes you cunt. Thanks.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 2, 2017 18:24:01 GMT -5
>Is annoying cunt IC. >Is annoying cunt OOC. You're entire fucking gimmick is all meshed together, is it not? What the fuck are you smoking? And what's your gimmick, Torture? Guy from yesteryear who occasionally turns up to act like a jackass? Damn you should receive an award for that one lol You play your gimmick so well!
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 2, 2017 18:33:29 GMT -5
Either kill each other or fuck each other. Either way, you're not contributing to what he fuck is going on here. So either do, Tort and Kat, or shut the fuck up, find a field to kill/fuck, and let the grown-ups sort this out. Kay?
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Post by Teo Blaze on Feb 2, 2017 18:34:30 GMT -5
Okay, a large majority of people posting would apparently rather be "right" than to be mature.
I'm not posting anymore on this except to say I really hope this is worth it for all of you.
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Post by Jeff Purse on Feb 2, 2017 18:40:33 GMT -5
Alright. Bring it back down to civility.
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Post by Torture on Feb 2, 2017 18:44:03 GMT -5
It's hard to be civil when youre mom just died and he's over here trying to make some fucking jokes about it.
Isn't that what part of this conversation is about?
Fucking dumb fucks.
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 2, 2017 18:47:02 GMT -5
Pantheon can't be seen as invaders if they were signed back to the WCF.
Boom. Head shot. Put some R E S P E K on my name.
#Threetime
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 18:57:09 GMT -5
The invaders argument is stupid to begin with.
Wrestler: here's my gimmick
Some other guy: No this is your gimmick
Wrestler: Ok cool, I guess?
For real though? We're arguing with people over what their gimmick is? I guess if that's how this game works then Dion really is homeless and ZT really are juggalos. Just trying to be consistent here!
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Post by Dionysus on Feb 2, 2017 19:00:29 GMT -5
The entire planning thread was treating Pantheon as "the enemy," from more than one person in that message stream.
To say that the feeling of Pantheon were invading is wrong...is, in itself, wrong.
I still have the messages, if anyone wants to see them.
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Post by 6ix God on Feb 2, 2017 19:05:52 GMT -5
Okay, this is getting stupid. I'll demonstrate:
Tort - I appreciate you trying to have our back, but you're not helping. If Rod's apology is sincere, then air cleared. I have no issues with Dag either.
Matt - Even if your mind is "this is a story", there was a narrative that started OOC. You can't turn an OOC narrative into an IC one, especially without the consent of the other party. We were never asked if we were on board with that story; it became clear this was a framing that was going to follow us, so we took it on the chin. It's one thing to decide you want to take someone on and attack them – it's another thing to attempt to rally almost the entire community against a group. This is what you did. That's not furthering a storyline, it's furthering a Metanarrative. That's treating others like outcasts – an act you've expressed disgust for. If you are adamant about washing your hands of the situation, I cannot convince you. But in your position as a moderator, you are expected to have a higher degree of responsibility. You did not demonstrate responsibility in this decision: your choice to withdraw your character from a conflict you orchestrated, even if IC in your mind, is shirking responsibility. Others were and have been left to clean up your mess IC and OOC.
As for the chat, I'd like to clarify exactly what it is: A group of us have a Facebook chat. Not everyone is invited – this is not meant to be "exclusionary". Inh Is chat, many of us are incredibly off the cuff or blasé; if "grab them by the pussy" was just locker room talk, then consider this a similar locker room. There are several people I talk to regularly outside of WCF not involved in this chat because I believe they'd be uncomfortable with how we talk in it. An example is Teddy Blaze: I fucking adore Teddy OOC but don't think he'd want to be in a chat like ours (not that I have his Facebook, if he even has one), so we haven't asked him if he'd like to join. There are others I'd consider OOC pals of mine who haven't been invited: Purse and Dag to name a few. Again, their exclusion is not a value on whether they're "in the clique" or not (partially because there isn't a clique) – it's about how we'd feel they'd respond to the discussions in the chat.
I think some of the other members of this federation's responses about our conduct OOC demonstrates our lack of exclusionary tendencies. And I'm sure other people could come forward with positive experiences talking to us.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 2, 2017 19:15:55 GMT -5
Okay, this is getting stupid. I'll demonstrate: Tort - I appreciate you trying to have our back, but you're not helping. If Rod's apology is sincere, then air cleared. I have no issues with Dag either. Matt - Even if your mind is "this is a story", there was a narrative that started OOC. You can't turn an OOC narrative into an IC one, especially without the consent of the other party. We were never asked if we were on board with that story; it became clear this was a framing that was going to follow us, so we took it on the chin. It's one thing to decide you want to take someone on and attack them – it's another thing to attempt to rally almost the entire community against a group. This is what you did. That's not furthering a storyline, it's furthering a Metanarrative. That's treating others like outcasts – an act you've expressed disgust for. If you are adamant about washing your hands of the situation, I cannot convince you. But in your position as a moderator, you are expected to have a higher degree of responsibility. You did not demonstrate responsibility in this decision: your choice to withdraw your character from a conflict you orchestrated, even if IC in your mind, is shirking responsibility. Others were and have been left to clean up your mess IC and OOC. As for the chat, I'd like to clarify exactly what it is: A group of us have a Facebook chat. Not everyone is invited – this is not meant to be "exclusionary". Inh Is chat, many of us are incredibly off the cuff or blasé; if "grab them by the pussy" was just locker room talk, then consider this a similar locker room. There are several people I talk to regularly outside of WCF not involved in this chat because I believe they'd be uncomfortable with how we talk in it. An example is Teddy Blaze: I fucking adore Teddy OOC but don't think he'd want to be in a chat like ours (not that I have his Facebook, if he even has one), so we haven't asked him if he'd like to join. There are others I'd consider OOC pals of mine who haven't been invited: Purse and Dag to name a few. Again, their exclusion is not a value on whether they're "in the clique" or not (partially because there isn't a clique) – it's about how we'd feel they'd respond to the discussions in the chat. I think some of the other members of this federation's responses about our conduct OOC demonstrates our lack of exclusionary tendencies. And I'm sure other people could come forward with positive experiences talking to us. My apology was sincere, yes. Despite what people may think, I don't like their being drama here either, I've been wanting to create an ooc like this for a long long time but I kept being told not to do it
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Post by Odin Balfore on Feb 2, 2017 19:22:53 GMT -5
Yet you openly admit to starting drama, trolling, rule skating and wrecking the top site.
Try again, dude
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Feb 2, 2017 19:27:53 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if you believe me or not, that's what happened. Also, he didn't have to get us to act a specific way, he just had to get some of you to buy into it, which he did, and he worked ya good fam. Prettyyyyyyyy sure when Rabid turned up on twitter and started having an argument with the guys in the fed and then proclaimed that he destroyed WCF or whatever BS he said, he came across as an invader. Bates didn't have to do shit A lot of people seemingly forget this part. This was the beginning of the storyline.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 2, 2017 19:29:34 GMT -5
Yet you openly admit to starting drama, trolling, rule skating and wrecking the top site. Try again, dude Yep, that's right, all this time it was me who was writing negative wcf reviews. You found me out, Odin lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 19:32:23 GMT -5
Prettyyyyyyyy sure when Rabid turned up on twitter and started having an argument with the guys in the fed and then proclaimed that he destroyed WCF or whatever BS he said, he came across as an invader. Bates didn't have to do shit A lot of people seemingly forget this part. This was the beginning of the storyline. Yeah, as I pointed out, I did that before, too. Several people have done that same thing, making similar claims. I don't think a single one of us who have ever did it to be outsiders or invaders. The guys say they weren't the ones making themselves out to be invaders yet you want to ignore the word of the people you're talking about? So everyone in Pantheon who disagrees with you is a liar? Does that also mean since I acted the same way that I'm lying now, too? How about we start looking at your gimmick and call you a liar on things, too?
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 2, 2017 19:32:39 GMT -5
How can people be invaders when they were/are apart of the WCF?
If you want Invaders, watch forced porn.
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Post by Seth on Feb 2, 2017 20:18:49 GMT -5
I'm not going to respond to everything here. There are certainly a few things I do need to point out:
When I sent the PM to all of Pantheon and ZT, which admittedly I kinda forgot about because it feels like it was a while ago - it was wrong of me to include people in that that hadn't, at the time, been part of the "drama" that I was trying to talk about. It also wasn't really meant to be an "until the end of time!" type thing.
That said, Holmes knows what's up and understands that a ban for him makes sense, so he's got a week.
BUT, I'm not going to be held hostage and forced to ban someone every time they make a meta-joke, be it ZT or Pantheon or anybody. There is a line - and yeah, cancer stuff is kind of shitty, that crosses a line - but we can all grow thicker skins.
If someone posts something that isn't about you, you don't need to make it about you - like the cancer thing. It was just asking for trouble for no reason.
I really don't see much here worth addressing besides lots of people having different opinions, and most things I would express have already been said by Teddy, Singh, and others, so it'd be redundant.
I highly suggest all of you read an entire drama thread next time one happens when it doesn't involve you, just to really see how silly all of it seems when you're out of the heat of the moment. Or just come back to this one.
So yeah. Chill out dudes.
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on Feb 2, 2017 20:34:11 GMT -5
I dont give a fuck. I'm three time Hardcore Champion.
#ThreeTime
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Post by Corey Black on Feb 2, 2017 20:45:37 GMT -5
I dont give a fuck. I'm three time Hardcore Champion. #ThreeTime White Holmes got banned. Black Holmes is okay.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 3, 2017 2:31:25 GMT -5
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