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Post by Logan on Sept 23, 2009 23:30:12 GMT -5
Seth just wants to see me shaking my ass in a cheerleader outfit. That sick emo fuck has been trying to get into my pants for three years and I'm goddamn sick and tired of it. I only go gay for Logan and occasionally Prince Jimmy. Best. Compliment. Ever. |
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Post by Torture on Sept 24, 2009 0:10:29 GMT -5
Lol! True that, Logan. God I love Cairo sometimes. Logan: Worst. Efed'er. Ever.
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Post by johnnyanthrax on Sept 26, 2009 10:01:11 GMT -5
Hey I'm 14th alright! I need more wins too Daniels.  |
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Post by Doc Henry on Sept 27, 2009 16:38:43 GMT -5
With all the pins and submissions going on in War, it'll be interesting to see the standings after....
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Post by R. Daniels on Sept 27, 2009 16:42:19 GMT -5
that means winz for MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 16:42:34 GMT -5
i dont know if the eliminations will add to your win/losses...i though the only change from the war match would be to the person that won the match overall
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Post by Torture on Sept 27, 2009 16:44:20 GMT -5
If eliminations counted, that would be funny to see a guy eliminate like ten dudes. That would be hilarious to jump from like 3-1, to like 13-1. LOL.
I think only the War winner should count.. and the final entrant who gets pinned should count as a loss. That would be fair and neat to me.
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Post by Doc Henry on Sept 27, 2009 16:46:16 GMT -5
yeah don't know about it affecting win/loss, but who pins who probably will...
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Post by Doc Henry on Sept 27, 2009 16:47:08 GMT -5
affect standing that is...
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Post by Seth on Sept 27, 2009 17:42:35 GMT -5
To me, the only fair way to do this is by having the winner get a win and the losers get a loss, but move people up and down depending on who eliminated who maybe. Thats what would make sense to me.
But its up to Mikami!
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Post by Torture on Sept 27, 2009 18:06:20 GMT -5
Well, in professional gauntlet sports, the loss is only the final guy eliminated and the winner is the obvious winner.
It's the rule of thumb for stats. For every positive stat, there is a negative stat. So the Winner gets the win, the last one eliminated gets the loss. That's why the last two are important. Everyone else just doesn't affect the outcome.. since they're not in the final two.
Then again, you don't even have to count this match at all for the win-loss, because it's so random, and just a one time shot anyway. Still up to Mikami, I was just putting in my two cents.
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Post by Allen Guiliano on Sept 27, 2009 18:18:37 GMT -5
Personally, I think the winner should get a win and everyone else a loss. Not fair to the guy who, in theory, had the 2nd best RP to get a loss and no one else. I also think an event like this could have a big effect on ladder rankings depending on what Mikami decides to do.
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Post by R. Daniels on Sept 27, 2009 18:33:55 GMT -5
It's not really the second best RP... just the guy who happens to be last...
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Post by Torture on Sept 27, 2009 18:41:00 GMT -5
Yeah. Exactly. You're also saying that ___ beat 29 other guys when in fact he didn't. He outlasted those guys, it's the reason for a positive stat having a negative reaction stat. That's why when it usually comes to the final two, they don't immediately go at it right off the bat, save for WWE storylines, like Orton just eliminating HHH after he eliminated his Legacy, shit like that.
Case in point: Juvi and the masked man who was Dean Malenko. It came down to them, they paused, and then they were to go at it, but then Juvi just jumped over the top rope. LOL. It's so that way you can't hinder the outcome of the event.
It's down to the final two, that way WAR is on THEIR shoulders. It IS fair to have a loss on your record, you could have RPed better than the other guy. The other guys that lost during the beginning part of the match don't hinder the outcome of the final two, yet more than one guy can hinder THEIR outcome with having two or three guys pin one guy, or deliver finishers to them (as if this was a real match taking place.)
That's why it's only fair to place the stats on the last two. The guy who wins, and the guy who loses. No one else matters in that outcome of the match, therefor they don't get a stat. They didn't really lose, nor win since their pinfalls didn't have a deciding factor other than just to eliminate someone.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 19:43:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the suggestions guys, I wasn't sure how I was going to do this (and still don't know) but you've given me something to think about.
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Post by Torture on Sept 27, 2009 20:13:53 GMT -5
To tidy my point up in a neat sentence..
If you pin to eliminate someone, you don't exactly hinder the outcome, you don't WIN by eliminating someone therefore, the last two should only count as a win loss, since you lose you lost the match, and you win, you win WAR. Boom.
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Post by Doc Henry on Sept 27, 2009 20:37:15 GMT -5
I know mikami stated that pins count in adjustments in tag matches, even when each of the winning team gets the w.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 21:24:56 GMT -5
Here's what I'm thinking right now, but I'm not going to update the ladder until tomorrow, so you all can certainly keep trying to persuade me until then:
I feel like it's kinda lame to give one person a win and 29 others a loss (even though that's what happened). So given the unusual nature of the match, no wins or losses awarded. Also, someone eliminated someone else doesn't mean they actually "beat" that person. So, the only rankings change would be Guiliano moving up to #2.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 21:32:26 GMT -5
what about the people that won the singles matches before the war match...is there no changes there at all?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2009 21:38:38 GMT -5
I was just talking about the War match, the other matches will be counted as normal.
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