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Post by Dionysus on Oct 19, 2016 7:56:49 GMT -5
So the takeaway for me was that Dion Necurat needs to be a hobo.
So Dion Necurat, moving forward, will be a hobo.
If it will make you all happy about it, then fine.
What else do you guys want Dion to do?
Give me any suggestion, and it will be incorporated.
Fire away.
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Post by Teo Blaze on Oct 19, 2016 8:11:42 GMT -5
Nothing. Your character is fine in my eyes and has a lot of potential.
You may be getting a bit too emotionally involved in your character, which will ultimately inhibit his growth, but that's a separate conversation.
The title is a loaded question, by the way.
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Post by Lilith on Oct 19, 2016 8:13:00 GMT -5
You aren't embracing your homelessness  JUST KIDDING!!! |
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Post by Dionysus on Oct 19, 2016 8:15:24 GMT -5
Nothing. Your character is fine in my eyes and has a lot of potential. You may be getting a bit too emotionally involved in your character, which will ultimately inhibit his growth, but that's a separate conversation. The title is a loaded question, by the way. Not meant to be a loaded question; its more to acknowledge that apparently there was a problem with Dion. Now that I know what it is, I can move forward with developing him as a hobo. |
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Post by Teo Blaze on Oct 19, 2016 8:25:59 GMT -5
Nothing. Your character is fine in my eyes and has a lot of potential. You may be getting a bit too emotionally involved in your character, which will ultimately inhibit his growth, but that's a separate conversation. The title is a loaded question, by the way. Not meant to be a loaded question; its more to acknowledge that apparently there was a problem with Dion. Now that I know what it is, I can move forward with developing him as a hobo. Again, I think you're taking a lot of the comments very personally. If that's the direction you want to go with the character, awesome. If not, then don't. I can't help but sense a bitterness in your tone and I want to make it clear that as memey as people can be, sometimes you have to trust your instincts as a writer. At one point someone reccomended a character named Dag Riddik should become a literal knock off of a crazy xenophobic insane person. He listened, and in my honest opinion while it was funny, it also led to him absolutely sabotaging the character. He went from an unlikable but relatable heel to a cartoon. I like Dag, for the record, but my point is that when you write what you think people want to read, it will ultimately hurt your output. You have to have confidence in your own work. You have to be able to put out something and know that it's good even if people tear it down or you lose the match. Listen to the feedback but don't let it completely shape your character, and don't ever think that you can't be good without it. You can be. You can make anything work. And it's not your job to change it if someone else is trying to tear it down for a laugh. That's all I'll say on the matter. Feedback is good, but just remember that in the end, you're the only one who you have to answer to. |
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Post by Dionysus on Oct 19, 2016 8:32:50 GMT -5
Not meant to be a loaded question; its more to acknowledge that apparently there was a problem with Dion. Now that I know what it is, I can move forward with developing him as a hobo. Again, I think you're taking a lot of the comments very personally. If that's the direction you want to go with the character, awesome. If not, then don't. I can't help but sense a bitterness in your tone and I want to make it clear that as memey as people can be, sometimes you have to trust your instincts as a writer. At one point someone reccomended a character named Dag Riddik should become a literal knock off of a crazy xenophobic insane person. He listened, and in my honest opinion while it was funny, it also led to him absolutely sabotaging the character. He went from an unlikable but relatable heel to a cartoon. I like Dag, for the record, but my point is that when you write what you think people want to read, it will ultimately hurt your output. You have to have confidence in your own work. You have to be able to put out something and know that it's good even if people tear it down or you lose the match. Listen to the feedback but don't let it completely shape your character, and don't ever think that you can't be good without it. You can be. You can make anything work. And it's not your job to change it if someone else is trying to tear it down for a laugh. That's all I'll say on the matter. Feedback is good, but just remember that in the end, you're the only one who you have to answer to. I mean, I do trust myself as a writer. I'm just incredibly frustrated that people want to force me to go down this route due to them not reading the actual story where the character is developing and growing, and as a result they miss that growth and just make assumptions. As a result, I feel that I cannot get Dion to go anywhere that doesn't fit into a mold that people are trying to make, and my attempts at breaking that mold are not working because there's such a strong pushback. And maybe I do just need to drop it, but with how much difficulty I've had in trying to get the character I want to get over and the frustration in that, adding more to constantly defend my character isn't helping my writing. |
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Post by Teo Blaze on Oct 19, 2016 8:43:17 GMT -5
Again, I think you're taking a lot of the comments very personally. If that's the direction you want to go with the character, awesome. If not, then don't. I can't help but sense a bitterness in your tone and I want to make it clear that as memey as people can be, sometimes you have to trust your instincts as a writer. At one point someone reccomended a character named Dag Riddik should become a literal knock off of a crazy xenophobic insane person. He listened, and in my honest opinion while it was funny, it also led to him absolutely sabotaging the character. He went from an unlikable but relatable heel to a cartoon. I like Dag, for the record, but my point is that when you write what you think people want to read, it will ultimately hurt your output. You have to have confidence in your own work. You have to be able to put out something and know that it's good even if people tear it down or you lose the match. Listen to the feedback but don't let it completely shape your character, and don't ever think that you can't be good without it. You can be. You can make anything work. And it's not your job to change it if someone else is trying to tear it down for a laugh. That's all I'll say on the matter. Feedback is good, but just remember that in the end, you're the only one who you have to answer to. I mean, I do trust myself as a writer. I'm just incredibly frustrated that people want to force me to go down this route due to them not reading the actual story where the character is developing and growing, and as a result they miss that growth and just make assumptions. As a result, I feel that I cannot get Dion to go anywhere that doesn't fit into a mold that people are trying to make, and my attempts at breaking that mold are not working because there's such a strong pushback. And maybe I do just need to drop it, but with how much difficulty I've had in trying to get the character I want to get over and the frustration in that, adding more to constantly defend my character isn't helping my writing. I agree that it can feel that way, but I think it's safe for me to speak for everyone and say that nobody is trying to force you to do anything. By and large what I've seen are people making jokes and even needling you over it. The Germans have a term for it I think, but there is a tendency for humor to come from the suffering of others. Still though, there is not a problem with Dion's character, nor should you take the playful jabs as such. How many comments have people made about Teddy Blaze just being a guy with glasses and nothing else? It's the same thing, man. But I know that there's more to the character, and so it doesn't bother me. It would be like them saying my character is a giraffe. It's basically nonsense, and occasionally funny nonsense. So again, you ask what's wrong, my answer is nothing. If you say you're thinking about taking the character in a new direction, then sweet- I'll gladly and happily discuss that. I just want to make sure any changes are coming from a good place. |
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Post by Lilith on Oct 19, 2016 8:47:57 GMT -5
I mean, I do trust myself as a writer. I'm just incredibly frustrated that people want to force me to go down this route due to them not reading the actual story where the character is developing and growing, and as a result they miss that growth and just make assumptions. As a result, I feel that I cannot get Dion to go anywhere that doesn't fit into a mold that people are trying to make, and my attempts at breaking that mold are not working because there's such a strong pushback. And maybe I do just need to drop it, but with how much difficulty I've had in trying to get the character I want to get over and the frustration in that, adding more to constantly defend my character isn't helping my writing. I agree that it can feel that way, but I think it's safe for me to speak for everyone and say that nobody is trying to force you to do anything. By and large what I've seen are people making jokes and even needling you over it. The Germans have a term for it I think, but there is a tendency for humor to come from the suffering of others. Still though, there is not a problem with Dion's character, nor should you take the playful jabs as such. How many comments have people made about Teddy Blaze just being a guy with glasses and nothing else? It's the same thing, man. But I know that there's more to the character, and so it doesn't bother me. It would be like them saying my character is a giraffe. It's basically nonsense, and occasionally funny nonsense. So again, you ask what's wrong, my answer is nothing. If you say you're thinking about taking the character in a new direction, then sweet- I'll gladly and happily discuss that. I just want to make sure any changes are coming from a good place. This is what you were looking for Mr Red Glasses |
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Post by Dionysus on Oct 19, 2016 8:52:23 GMT -5
I mean, I do trust myself as a writer. I'm just incredibly frustrated that people want to force me to go down this route due to them not reading the actual story where the character is developing and growing, and as a result they miss that growth and just make assumptions. As a result, I feel that I cannot get Dion to go anywhere that doesn't fit into a mold that people are trying to make, and my attempts at breaking that mold are not working because there's such a strong pushback. And maybe I do just need to drop it, but with how much difficulty I've had in trying to get the character I want to get over and the frustration in that, adding more to constantly defend my character isn't helping my writing. I agree that it can feel that way, but I think it's safe for me to speak for everyone and say that nobody is trying to force you to do anything. By and large what I've seen are people making jokes and even needling you over it. The Germans have a term for it I think, but there is a tendency for humor to come from the suffering of others. Still though, there is not a problem with Dion's character, nor should you take the playful jabs as such. How many comments have people made about Teddy Blaze just being a guy with glasses and nothing else? It's the same thing, man. But I know that there's more to the character, and so it doesn't bother me. It would be like them saying my character is a giraffe. It's basically nonsense, and occasionally funny nonsense. So again, you ask what's wrong, my answer is nothing. If you say you're thinking about taking the character in a new direction, then sweet- I'll gladly and happily discuss that. I just want to make sure any changes are coming from a good place. All I want is for my character to grow organically, in a path I want him to grow in. This is a new story for this character, and I want to keep control. My problem is nothing really involving in-character interactions, since Dion really doesn't care what people say about him. Call him homeless, he'll show you a picture of his apartment. Call him a hobo, he'll laugh it off and say he just likes his glorious shaggy beard. Point out how he hasn't made a big splash, he'll tell you not to underestimate him and that his time is coming. The character has a confidence I lack. Dion enjoys being a wrestler. He doesn't care about winning titles or being the face of the place; he wants to be known as a hard worker and that the occasional title opportunity is well-earned. Sure, he's in a tough bit of luck currently, but he can get through it, and while he's there, he may as well cause trouble (hence the bit in the BeachKrew's donation thread on the internet boards; that's canon now, which I'll touch on in my RP). My problem stems more from how I feel about the community as a whole. I feel like, despite the work I put in (which I admit I can be putting in more) is looked over, strictly on the basis that I am still a new member to the community, and a new member of this style of efedding in general. That I'm just another dime-a-dozen newbie who is here for a month or two, then leaves out of boredom. As further proof of that, I haven't actually received much in regard to feedback, which I feel I consistently look for, until this whole situation started. I shouldn't have to cause a ruckus just to get help when I need it. I left this at one point due to frustrations involving people outside the RP. Maybe I just need to keep my nose to the grindstone and just ignore everyone. As for being emotionally attached to Dion, I'm putting him through difficult situations intentionally so he can grow. He has never had to deal with a situation like this in his life. I am invested in his story both because I'm writing the story, but also because someone has to be...and I'm just not seeing that from most people. |
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Post by heresjohnny on Oct 19, 2016 9:26:52 GMT -5
You aren't embracing your homelessness JUST KIDDING!!! ^^^ THIS No, in all serious. I told you what to do. Just have that ninja ball out. I could see him pulling a Connor McGregor. Even if it's not his style, modify to his style. For instance. If they're saying the dude is homeless, no sell it. EXAMPLE: Buy a whole block of shitty run-down houses and crack dens... say your moving on up like the Jefferson's |
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Post by Dionysus on Oct 19, 2016 9:42:11 GMT -5
You aren't embracing your homelessness JUST KIDDING!!! ^^^ THIS No, in all serious. I told you what to do. Just have that ninja ball out. I could see him pulling a Connor McGregor. Even if it's not his style, modify to his style. For instance. If they're saying the dude is homeless, no sell it. EXAMPLE: Buy a whole block of shitty run-down houses and crack dens... say your moving on up like the Jefferson's ...Eeeeeeeh... I'd rather not do something like THAT (though I'm sure its just an example). ...But I COULD do a bit where I do some charitable donation thing, and use that as part of the shoot. ... ... Actually...I just might run with that. "We here at The Necurat Foundation are looking for your contributions. With your help, we can succeed in helping [insert opponent's name here] solve their [insert problem here]." ...Its rough, but I could make it work for anyone. |
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Post by 6ix God on Oct 19, 2016 10:43:27 GMT -5
I mean, I do trust myself as a writer. I'm just incredibly frustrated that people want to force me to go down this route due to them not reading the actual story where the character is developing and growing, and as a result they miss that growth and just make assumptions. As a result, I feel that I cannot get Dion to go anywhere that doesn't fit into a mold that people are trying to make, and my attempts at breaking that mold are not working because there's such a strong pushback. And maybe I do just need to drop it, but with how much difficulty I've had in trying to get the character I want to get over and the frustration in that, adding more to constantly defend my character isn't helping my writing. I agree that it can feel that way, but I think it's safe for me to speak for everyone and say that nobody is trying to force you to do anything. By and large what I've seen are people making jokes and even needling you over it. The Germans have a term for it I think, but there is a tendency for humor to come from the suffering of others. Still though, there is not a problem with Dion's character, nor should you take the playful jabs as such. How many comments have people made about Teddy Blaze just being a guy with glasses and nothing else? It's the same thing, man. But I know that there's more to the character, and so it doesn't bother me. It would be like them saying my character is a giraffe. It's basically nonsense, and occasionally funny nonsense. So again, you ask what's wrong, my answer is nothing. If you say you're thinking about taking the character in a new direction, then sweet- I'll gladly and happily discuss that. I just want to make sure any changes are coming from a good place. For the record, we were mostly suggesting a pic base for Dag (his stern, quiet bigot had the basepic of a male model who occasionally wore dresses - just guess how this went over on the internet board) and some suggestions of inspiration as it fit his character; he sort of overdid it from there. |
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Post by AdamYoung on Oct 20, 2016 23:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by Dionysus on Oct 20, 2016 23:17:37 GMT -5
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Post by heresjohnny on Oct 21, 2016 7:28:45 GMT -5
long live the man that wears his grandmothers hand me down
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Post by Gemini Battle on Oct 21, 2016 9:13:02 GMT -5
How did you get dags winter ball picture? |
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Post by Oath Breaker on Oct 22, 2016 2:47:31 GMT -5
three options here
1, do as people believe, and do the homeless/hobo routine
2, just do a promo that starts IN YOUR HOME
3, leave the issue as static and keep people wondering
Some businessmen have no home, but live entirely in hotels and motels set-up by the company they represent, yet are still not considered homeless on account of appearance and finance. You have options. Take one of these, or invent your own unique spin. Whichever way you go, make sure that it's fluid to your character storyline.
Homeless is not permanent. You can start there and go into a real estate office looking for new property and no longer be homeless. 'Hey, I live in a mobile home now!'
That's .. kinda exactly what I did .. but oh well.
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