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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 20:46:26 GMT -5
I don't like this mentality of ganging up on Logan for one thing he did. EVERYONE, EVERY SINGLE PERSON, AND SHREK KNOWS THAT INCLUDES MYSELF, has done fucking WIERD things in their lives that anyone else would react to in the same way. So you think this crosses a line because it involved a pen0r. I can guarantee everyone else has done equally obscene things in one way or another. Can we PLEASE stop going on about Logan's junk? It's nothing more than a plot device at this point.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 20:48:49 GMT -5
I want to preface this by saying that almost everyone I have had problems with or whatever with have been addressed and for the most part we are all on good terms. But I need to address this. I like you Seth. I think you are nice guy and I think you do a lot of hard work to keep this place running. But Dale got banned for calling out Joey Flash on facebook. And I am not saying that he was right about that at all, I am not, I even spoke to Dale and told him I thought he was wrong. But Dale got banned for that, and when I saw that people where talking shit about me and I brought it up to you, you brushed it off cause it was supposed to be privet. You made a post about it but really, me and some other people were called names and what not and it was kinda glossed over by you because you didn't want to read it or some shit. And again, I am over this and I am for the most part cool with all parties, but just something about how one rule doesn't apply to everyone. Because the rules specifically state that Facebook is included in whatever. Also, Logan talked just as much shit about Torture as Torture did about Logan in his behind the handler interview thing that Gonzo used to do. Nothing. No ban, probably no talking to's. I don't really know the extent to what Torture said, but I don't think its fair that Torture get banned for talking shit on someone, but other people don't. I don't think you go by the rules are set for everyone, I think you go by how you feel that particular day. And I am not trying to be a dick, but thats just how I have seen it since I have been around. And Logan I am sorry, but I don't understand whats funny about posting a dick pick. I understand that you like to 'be gay' with your humor and hit on people, but there is a line. And regardless of a joke, you crossed a line when you sent a fake or non fake picture to Rods girlfriend. Period. Also, Rod, you were upset about that, you bitched to me about it. I don't understand how you could be cool with it now, I would still be pissed about that if I were you. There is jokes and there is taking it too far and that is taking it too far. For the most part, people get along. But there are times that you have been harder on people than you have been before, Seth, and you know it. There are times you have taken it easy on people and there are times you have been more harsh. Again, I just want it to be known to those people I meant, for the most part I am cool with everyone and I am not trying to stir up shit. And fuck it I will just post it here since it is here to post. I talked to each person in that Facebook message and made peace with everyone except for one person. I don't know if that person knows who they are but I will let you know if you ask. I don't want to call that person out in this thread, because honestly I am still a little upset about that part of it. Everyone else and I talked and whatnot, but that one person I don't know why I never got a response from them. Oh well thought, right? Thank you! This post is a good one because it's legitimate shit. When Dale got banned - I'd assume he posted something publicly, right?, that's what he usually did - while your messages that got leaked to you and KP and everything, those were supposed to be private - well, except for Celeste inviting KP into them ... I just mean that they're not really comparable. That said, you're right, my attitude isn't always the same about this stuff. Sometimes I feel like something crosses a line and action should be taken!, sometimes I feel like people should work it out and WCF shouldn't get involved. It could seem inconsistent. Whenever that happened I didn't have the time or inclination to read multiple pages of Facebook chat - if I was a better fedhead, maybe I'd have made the time. So you're right. I'm not sure if I read Logan's thing with Gonzo. I don't read every single thing that's posted, and no one complained to me about it. Again, I'd like to remind everyone that I banned Tort for the two day thing based primarily on what he said to Katherine Phoenix, that is what broke the camel's back. And no, KP didn't complain, it's just the first thing I saw from him that night. Unfortunately, that'll be another issue though - the squeeky wheels will get the grease. If someone posts something somewhere that breaks the rules but I never see it?, they won't get punished. If someone DOES complain to me about someone who does?, they might. That will seem inconsistent to an outsider but that wouldn't be the case.
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Post by Jeff Purse on May 8, 2016 20:52:12 GMT -5
I honestly have been busy all weekend and not keeping up with the drama, I thought Tort got banned for what he said about Logan. But yeah, nobody complained about Logan talking about Torture, because...I don't know I don't think Torture was around much at the time. But yeah, anyway.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 20:53:13 GMT -5
I'm sure! That doesn't change your motivation. If you think my agenda is solely based on spite, you're a moron. The pervert doesn't get to spread lies about his victim and get away with it because she's not around to make sure her side of the story is heard. I'm not rereading everything but I have a hard time thinking that Logan was the one that brought Carly up to begin with. Secondly, you're the one with the screenshots, you could have called him out for it without involving her. And you know damn well no one was going to read anything Logan says and think "HURR HURR I SURE DO BELIEVE HIM IM SURE HE HAD A RIGHT TO SEND DICK PICS!" The "moron" bit was unneccesary but I already said anyone can say whatever they want about me.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 20:55:06 GMT -5
I honestly have been busy all weekend and not keeping up with the drama, I thought Tort got banned for what he said about Logan. But yeah, nobody complained about Logan talking about Torture, because...I don't know I don't think Torture was around much at the time. But yeah, anyway. The initial ban was me fucking around, he was banned that time for Logan stuff but it was a bad idea on my part to try to get people interested in a Logan/Tort match and since Tort and I are friends I thought we could just laugh it off and whatever. No one asked me about it so everyone thought I was just a power hungry dick though and in retrospect it was indeed a dumb thing for me to do and something everyone should be mad at me for! But no one cares because DICK PICS!!!!
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Post by SickWaves Blackamura on May 8, 2016 20:55:23 GMT -5
I don't like this mentality of ganging up on Logan for one thing he did. EVERYONE, EVERY SINGLE PERSON, AND SHREK KNOWS THAT INCLUDES MYSELF, has done fucking WIERD things in their lives that anyone else would react to in the same way. So you think this crosses a line because it involved a pen0r. I can guarantee everyone else has done equally obscene things in one way or another. Can we PLEASE stop going on about Logan's junk? It's nothing more than a plot device at this point. No, man, just no. I don't know the issue in it's entirety, but this is a questionable comment.
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 20:55:46 GMT -5
I honestly have been busy all weekend and not keeping up with the drama, I thought Tort got banned for what he said about Logan. But yeah, nobody complained about Logan talking about Torture, because...I don't know I don't think Torture was around much at the time. But yeah, anyway. Because it was an interview and I politely expressed my POV of Torture. I never said he was a disgusting piece of shit that has never done anything helpful for WCF, much like he did. In any case I sincerely hope all of you that have a problem with WCF stay true to your word and quit. This is a huge waste of time and we don't need this type of crap.
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Post by Jay Omega on May 8, 2016 20:56:30 GMT -5
But no one cares because DICK PICS!!!! That's going in my signature.
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Post by Jayson Price on May 8, 2016 20:56:57 GMT -5
She had a right to know that Logan was lying about it. Argue that all you want, but it's a fact. I don't regret bringing her in and she was glad that I did it. Hell, I even have the screenshots if you'd like to see the proof of that.
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Post by Jeff Purse on May 8, 2016 20:57:14 GMT -5
I made a joke about that ban, but I honestly didn't think he really got banned that time.
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Post by "The Black Dragon" Alex Jones on May 8, 2016 20:58:01 GMT -5
Actually some people seem to think Logan has the right to do whatever because him sending dick pics is "Logan being Logan" sure that will hold up in court whenever he gets black out drunk and mistakes a girl screaming "no I don't want to have sex with you" with "please sir put your penis in me" then he can use the old chestnut of "she asked for it" and "it was a set up"
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 20:58:35 GMT -5
I didnt think he got legit banned the first time either, and I know a bunch of other people didn't either lol sooooooo you're cool Seth! HATERS GONNA HATE, bro!
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Post by Sarah Twilight on May 8, 2016 20:58:52 GMT -5
The only problem really is this comes down to who the mods like and who the mods don't like. The fact that there has only been ONE perma-ban ever in WCF should tell you that Seth really isn't all about drama. And you REALLY have to do something serious to end up getting punished.
The thing is, if the entire Torture thing was me, every mod on this thread would have been calling for my head. If it was KP, Logan, and a handful of other people it would be the same thing. And then there are other people who the mods feel should never be punished no matter what. That's called favoritism. So really the only inconsistencies are with the mods wanting blood for some and stays of execution for others.
Anyone who has said that Seth is inconsistent in what he does has no room to talk. When purgatory showed up and harassed every person with a female character on the boards, no one wanted to do anything and I had a mod flat out tell me they didn't want to do anything about it because the complaint came from me. Soooo, where is that "same for all" stuff there? No one was firing up torches and grabbing pitchforks for "fairness." It took me and several others bitching about the harassment for something to be done. Mind you this was on FORUM harassment and the response was "eh." Yet some off site stuff from dubtrack that was nothing more than a misunderstanding had the bloodhounds out with interrogations ready. I believe I was the one who pointed out to the mods that the entire system was based on favoritism ... and not on Seth's part.
Not all, but almost every mod currently active as a mod and a few who are no longer active are like that kid at school who gets to be a hall monitor and somehow thinks that's a free pass to fuck with and bully certain people and get away with it. There is always the same self righteous speeches given to try and justify the bias. When that's called out in how contradictory it is, what happens? Either some threat of punishment for daring to disagree with one of the bullies or nothing happens at all. I think this entire thread and situation just points out the fact that there is bias in WCF. Just that the fingers are pointing in the wrong direction.
If I'm going to be banned for posting this, that's fine. I'm simply "airing grievances" as the thread suggests. And I think I have been very civil about doing so.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 20:59:20 GMT -5
I made a joke about that ban, but I honestly didn't think he really got banned that time. FWIW you weren't the only one. Not for one minute did I think Tort had actually been banned. The way Seth wrote it and followed it up with such a blatantly biased post made me think there was no way he was seriously, and apparently we were the only ones to think that way but it turns out it wasn't.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 21:01:57 GMT -5
The thing is, if the entire Torture thing was me, every mod on this thread would have been calling for my head. Right... just like if Logan got banned and was like "Hey Rod, post on the OOC board that ________ is a stupid fucking asshole and they can burn in hell" and I actually did it Logan would be banned for longer and I would be banned for doing it
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Post by Jeff Purse on May 8, 2016 21:02:01 GMT -5
I honestly have been busy all weekend and not keeping up with the drama, I thought Tort got banned for what he said about Logan. But yeah, nobody complained about Logan talking about Torture, because...I don't know I don't think Torture was around much at the time. But yeah, anyway. Because it was an interview and I politely expressed my POV of Torture. I never said he was a disgusting piece of shit that has never done anything helpful for WCF, much like he did. In any case I sincerely hope all of you that have a problem with WCF stay true to your word and quit. This is a huge waste of time and we don't need this type of crap. Honestly, I was making a point about my initial post. I think I have been really cool toward you and you know, don't be a dick. Get it? Dick? No but seriously, I didn't say I have a problem with WCF and I want to quit. I was just saying why I thought nobody complained about it. Relax.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 21:02:46 GMT -5
To be fair, I didn't clue Tort in on it, so....
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Post by Wade Moor on May 8, 2016 21:06:04 GMT -5
I'm not entirely sure where the plot is at the moment.
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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on May 8, 2016 21:07:40 GMT -5
I just don't want WCF shutting down. That's all I'm concerned for right now.
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 21:09:52 GMT -5
The only problem really is this comes down to who the mods like and who the mods don't like. The fact that there has only been ONE perma-ban ever in WCF should tell you that Seth really isn't all about drama. And you REALLY have to do something serious to end up getting punished. The thing is, if the entire Torture thing was me, every mod on this thread would have been calling for my head. If it was KP, Logan, and a handful of other people it would be the same thing. And then there are other people who the mods feel should never be punished no matter what. That's called favoritism. So really the only inconsistencies are with the mods wanting blood for some and stays of execution for others. Anyone who has said that Seth is inconsistent in what he does has no room to talk. When purgatory showed up and harassed every person with a female character on the boards, no one wanted to do anything and I had a mod flat out tell me they didn't want to do anything about it because the complaint came from me. Soooo, where is that "same for all" stuff there? No one was firing up torches and grabbing pitchforks for "fairness." It took me and several others bitching about the harassment for something to be done. Mind you this was on FORUM harassment and the response was "eh." Yet some off site stuff from dubtrack that was nothing more than a misunderstanding had the bloodhounds out with interrogations ready. I believe I was the one who pointed out to the mods that the entire system was based on favoritism ... and not on Seth's part. Not all, but almost every mod currently active as a mod and a few who are no longer active are like that kid at school who gets to be a hall monitor and somehow thinks that's a free pass to fuck with and bully certain people and get away with it. There is always the same self righteous speeches given to try and justify the bias. When that's called out in how contradictory it is, what happens? Either some threat of punishment for daring to disagree with one of the bullies or nothing happens at all. I think this entire thread and situation just points out the fact that there is bias in WCF. Just that the fingers are pointing in the wrong direction. If I'm going to be banned for posting this, that's fine. I'm simply "airing grievances" as the thread suggests. And I think I have been very civil about doing so. This is a fair post. I didn't do anything about purgy because he was actually making most of us laugh on the forums with his ridiculous posts and he was fucking with 'troublemakers.' See the theme? I banned him like a day later because I realized people were really getting pissed about it. I'll be the first one to admit I play this up as much as I can. I have fun with it, banhammer this and banhammer that, and if people are shitty to me, I'm shitty right back. I literally said "eh" about the whole thing too. I thought it was a fair thing to say considering all the drama you had caused us. A day or two of PMs isn't too bad, especially considering anybody can turn PMs from anyone off. There's also like 5 other mods that could have done something. I just wan't interested in doing it until I saw it was a very real issue.
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