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Post by Earth-616 Holmes on May 8, 2016 0:18:32 GMT -5
But yeah. Here's my opinion on the Torture situation. Was he wrong for blowing up on the OOC boards? In my opinion, yes. Nobody at all should be blowing up like crazy, and since I don't know the situation, I have no say. The reason I think Torture shouldn't be ban because many people have blown up on each other but they should receive a warning from the moderators to cool down, and leave it. Especially after the thread was locked, and the PSA you did. Now Torture is gonna be furious x10, and he's not gonna cool down. So pretty much everything was already resolved before he got banned again in my perspective.
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 0:19:34 GMT -5
How the fuck did I say that the Final Destination match was suspicious or in questioning? I said specifically that I had Spencer winning in my opinion but since he chose you, I just shrugged it off. Didn't I fucking congratulate you on winning the World Title? I believe I did. Yeah, I admit it. There's sometimes I don't agree with Seth choosing the winner. I'm human, I have my opinions but I can't change them because Seth is literally the most fair dude in judging for efedding in all my years. So don't put words in my mouth. I had SPENCE winning but he chose you so I just sat back, and said cool. Yet you felt the need to just voice that a few minutes ago that Spencer should have won. Again. I don't care who thinks who should have won. I put in work. Seth thought that work was better and Logan won. There is ZERO need for anyone to complain. Which is what this thread was created from, Torture throwing cursed out fit and getting banned. I asked who everyone thought should have won. Now I know. Great. Doesn't change anything. If anyone here is that butthurt to take an interest in ANY of this take it up with the man who runs the fed. This OOC drama accomplishes nothing.
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Post by Jayson Price on May 8, 2016 0:23:28 GMT -5
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure no one was planning on publicly raging at Logan or anyone else for that matter. The only person who is within their rights to rage at Logan was me and I did that and handled that situation in a way we should all handle situations, in private. After you were in a chat room chatting about it with how many people for how long exactly? This issue went from private to public the second you decided to make it public. Once it's out there, it's out there. Then you came to the Admins about it, talking about how upset you were. So then it's a public issue that the admins are aware of. THEN you went and made nice. Sorry, but you can't un-public people's opinions of Logan in the situation after you yourself made it public.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 0:29:09 GMT -5
Jay that shit was Logan was done and over almost a month ago now. Hence why Logan and I are no longer on bad terms. If you wanted to discuss this with him why didn't you do it when it first happened? But like i said, Logan and I have already discussed it and settled it. In fact we did so ages ago. So I don't really see the need to continue any of this. It's just making the fed look bad too having it out in the open on the ooc board like this. What would newbies think if they came in here and read this stuff?
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 0:31:03 GMT -5
I'm not going to say it again. The outcome isn't in question nor is it the point of this.
As blunt as possible: the mods have begged and pleaded to ban for a whole lot more than Torture's forum gimmick of salty over everything. Yet whimmy wham wham wozzle, two complaints come in and RIP Torture for a week then two days. He did not deserve a ban then, he did earn his ban now - as provoked as it was. You know who should decide bans? Seth. Or me. Or Price. Or Odin. Or Gable. Or any other of the 106 mods. You normies have no business coming to anyone and saying "I'm butthurt, ban plz." You come to us and say "check this out" and we will go from there. If it's me, I'll tell you to man up or say I'll take it to the thread we have so we can discuss. Torture wasn't discussed. The circumstances involved are suspect at best, especially considering the complaints we have got about the folks in question to begin with.
Basically, I think you're all making drama because you're bored and you need to entertain yourselves. Chill the fuck out and pull out the tampon.
Price doesn't explain well. I explain well.
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Post by SickWaves Blackamura on May 8, 2016 0:31:04 GMT -5
Let's stop making things about "What would newbies think?" and keep this as a constructive thread to voice opinions on issues.
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 0:32:01 GMT -5
Take it away, Taylor!
Just shook this thread off my nuts. Back to RPing.
/thread
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Post by Dustin Beaver on May 8, 2016 0:34:49 GMT -5
Not having read anything that anyone has said and also being relatively "new" here, I'm gonna throw in my two cents anyways. I know that both Torture and Logan have been here for years, I've talked to Torture a little more and kind of knowing the way he is from talking to him, I don't feel like he'd "blow up" about nothing. Having come from a military background, I've seen my fair share of power struggles, and shit can get bad if communication completely shuts down. Instead of banning him for what he's doing, maybe we should start a dialogue about what the main issues are and move on from there. Obviously Torture isn't the only one not happy for whatever reason(s), I just don't see the point in shutting someone out for voicing their concern about the current state of things.
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Post by Crow McMorris on May 8, 2016 0:36:15 GMT -5
Matter of fact since this is out in the public now. Who here thinks I didn't put in the work to win Final Destination? Who here thinks I'm not cut out to be World Champion? Please. Let me see a show of hands. Half the fed you said, Jayson? Let me see them. The rules of WCF are simple. Write an entertaining quality RP that's better than your opponents and you will win. Does anybody here question that I haven't done otherwise? You deserved both wins. You put in the work, no doubt. It wasn't nostalgia that won you those matches, it was quality.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 0:38:31 GMT -5
Jay that shit was Logan was done and over almost a month ago now. Hence why Logan and I are no longer on bad terms. If you wanted to discuss this with him why didn't you do it when it first happened? But like i said, Logan and I have already discussed it and settled it. In fact we did so ages ago. So I don't really see the need to continue any of this. It's just making the fed look bad too having it out in the open on the ooc board like this. What would newbies think if they came in here and read this stuff? That we at least try to work out our problems? Best case scenario. But worst case is that we're all a bunch of whack jobs. Knowing the efed world, that seems about on par. Jokes aside, Seth handles the results. If people were that upset with them, the door is always open to leave at your leisure. I don't know much about this Final Destination match that has come up, but its obvious that some other people had different opinions on how that match should have ended. But it ended the way that it did, and it is now a matter of history. It really cannot be undone because way too much has happened between now and whenever this happened. As for Torture coming on here after his ban, all he really did was rant, cuss, and fire off at Logan for whatever the hell their beef is between the two of them. Again, it seems that people are not thrilled at that decision to ban him for this particular behavior. Same for the first time he got banned, for whatever reason that was. I don't know. Wasn't here when it happened. But this last ban? I don't see the problem with the ban. Especially considering it's two days, which seems to me to be more of a cooling off rather than a punitive ban that six months long. And with the way he went off, he looked like he needed it before he got himself into a worse situation.
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Post by Jayson Price on May 8, 2016 0:39:44 GMT -5
Well the alternative is waiting for everyone that has already talked about bailing on WCF over this shit to do it. Which they will, because the people that are ready to bail are the people that don't just talk about doing shit, they actually do it. The lone thing keeping them here is the fact that Torture and now me are actually saying what they want to say, getting it all out in the open. I get banned or this thread gets locked and deleted, shit's going to go downhill. That half the fed thing I said? I got a chat room full of people right now behind me and everything I'm saying, along with multiple admins on Facebook, all of them in agreement. This isn't just some little spat that will blow over, people will leave. Hell, I know for a fact that there's one person only sticking around until XIII is over and they're fucking out of here. I won't say who, I'll let them be the one to make it public, but it's someone that's been with WCF forever. I cannot stress just how much Final Destination is not the issue. There is a serious amount of unfairness happening involving Torture and his banning and it's dragging up all kinds of past issues from a time before even I got here.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 0:47:45 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, I am completely confused as to what the issue even is now. Is it the fact that Logan won final destination? Or the fact that Logan sent my girlfriend (who found it funny) a dick pic? Or some other completely random Logan related thing I am apparently missing?
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Post by SickWaves Blackamura on May 8, 2016 0:49:16 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, I am completely confused as to what the issue even is now. Is it the fact that Logan won final destination? Or the fact that Logan sent my girlfriend (who found it funny) a dick pic? Or some other completely random Logan related thing I am apparently missing? It's actually a whole lot of shit.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 0:50:47 GMT -5
Well, Jay wants this to be a discussion thread. So let's discuss?
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Post by Jayson Price on May 8, 2016 0:52:09 GMT -5
Okay. Let's do this again.
There's a multitude of issues happening, namely the issue of fairness involving Torture. Corey hit the head of the nail on that one.
Final Destination and the backlash of that is waaaaay at the bottom.
In between those two is the dick pics and everything else. And as much as you want to say that you and Logan fixed that issue, again, it's public knowledge that shit happened. And people are going to talk shit on some shit like that, because, "prank" or not, it's still not cool when it's something that's happened before. You two worked it out but I can bring in Carly and have her talk about how much she loved being "pranked" by Logan.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 0:56:48 GMT -5
I just don't understand why things which happened in the past are bring brought up in the present that's all. I mean this thread would have made way more sense had you started it during the time when that stuff was actually happening. I get that torture was bothered by it, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he came on here and behaved poorly. Not even I raged on the ooc board about the dick pic thing... It was perhaps one of the only places I didn't lol
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Post by Odin Balfore on May 8, 2016 0:58:43 GMT -5
Urge to Hammer... Rising...
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Post by SickWaves Blackamura on May 8, 2016 1:01:19 GMT -5
I just don't understand why things which happened in the past are bring brought up in the present that's all. I mean this thread would have made way more sense had you started it during the time when that stuff was actually happening. I get that torture was bothered by it, but that doesn't excuse the fact that he came on here and behaved poorly. Not even I raged on the ooc board about the dick pic thing... It was perhaps one of the only places I didn't lol It's not just about some dick pics. It's not much about FD results. It's not about one thing. It's about a lot of pent up frustration with the state of certain things.
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Post by Jayson Price on May 8, 2016 1:02:36 GMT -5
Torture raged for his reasons and got banned for it.
People don't get banned for doing way worse.
Talk about how Torture should or shouldn't have been bothered all you want, the issue is that he got banned for shit that should have warranted a PM from an Admin warning him about it. I've seen threads get locked and/or deleted when people sprouted off shit worse than that but nobody got banned for it with the exception of Grime, but that mother fucker damn near threatened to have someone killed by a gang or some shit. That warranted a ban. Calling Logan a piece of shit? That's never been ban worthy until right now apparently and a lot of people are wondering why.
The fact that it came after Seth got some complaints? Well that's just the gasoline on the flames from alllllll of the other shit.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 1:04:50 GMT -5
Yeah I get all of that. Shouldn't that solely be an issue for seth to address though? Because this thread kind of turned into a Logan lynch party, whereas the issues you've explained seem to be more an issue for seth to discuss with the mods?
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