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Post by Grime on Apr 18, 2015 15:01:53 GMT -5
Wait for Aftermath RP Deuce lol. Some back story returns.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2015 15:37:31 GMT -5
With Odin/ZMAC having ideas for a change from heel to face, what is the take on switching alignments?
From what I understand, Odin/ZMAC have been here for quite some time, with no alignment changes, if I'm not mistaken. He's easily justified in an alignment change. But what about other people's feelings when they change alignment? Do you constantly get bored playing as one alignment or another?
And, of course, there's the Tweener question. The only Tweener that I could see that's active is Jayson Price (though he's obviously a heel, IMO). How do you guys feel about "The 'tweener" role?
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Post by Odin Balfore on Apr 18, 2015 15:56:24 GMT -5
I like playing Odin as a face and ZMAC as he currently is.
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Post by Odin Balfore on Apr 18, 2015 23:54:45 GMT -5
Would you guys be interested in a FACE ZMAC?
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Post by Jay Omega on Apr 18, 2015 23:59:30 GMT -5
I certainly would be interested, if only to see how you'd pull it off. I'm picturing a combination of Stone Cold and Raven, with a dash of Dreamer, but I don't know if the image in my head is anywhere close to the one in yours'
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Post by Odin Balfore on Apr 19, 2015 0:02:29 GMT -5
LOL thats how I see ZMAC now. I see him as an Anti-hero. He is that Stone cold, Raven character. He is what every normal person can not be.
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Post by Crow McMorris on Apr 19, 2015 4:28:51 GMT -5
LOL thats how I see ZMAC now. I see him as an Anti-hero. He is that Stone cold, Raven character. He is what every normal person can not be. The company needs more active faces, for certain. But it's up to you dude. It's about what you feel comfortable in playing. Your latest role play was a pure heel promo, it thats the style you feel comfortable with employing with ZMAC, then stick to it. Don't force the character to fit a mold thats not him. |
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Post by Alex Richards on Apr 19, 2015 7:54:01 GMT -5
Do we need more faces, yes. But Pantheon are faces, Bates and most of the Dark Riders are gonna end up being faces, The Sentinels are face. Deuce is a face. My point being, ZMac should keep on being ZMac, no need to fix what ain't broken. Plus what do you do with Buddy if ZMAC is face?
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Post by marcmayhem on Apr 19, 2015 8:19:03 GMT -5
It depends how hard you want to go in a certain direction for me, too extreme a heel can become very bland and tiresome for others in the federation and cause extreme alienation. However a well written, reasoned, intelligent heel can be an amazing character that storylines spew from. The work Grime is doing is a tad too extreme at the moment, but if he reigned it in would show character weakness so just has to roll with it. A tough road! I'll try to give a solid heel clinic over the coming weeks/months and show said stuff in action. At least my recent face-isms have been recognised to the point people were questioning shit, even now. Good shit. Characters who are actually faces: Dune, Fenix (though he thinks hes a heel), Marc Mayhem (ditto), Occulo, Gonzo, ICE, Chelsea, TUB, Caraid, Florian Stark, Howard Black, Zione Redington. Characters who are actually heels: Myself, ZMAC, Grime, Oblivion, Logan, Kathy P, Adam Young, Reginald Dampshaw. Everyone else is a nice shade of grey! Marc mayhem started heel switched to face ad a hotdog king. (Never updated bio) Logan's double cross paints him more of a face Mayhem however should start to be more heel. Hopefully more to come in the future. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 8:54:34 GMT -5
I would love to play a heel again. No shit. But seeing the landscape of the WCF, we really do need face characters. Unfortunately, to play a good face, it takes patience and a measure of restraint to pull it off. Its probably the reason why I spent my 20's playing a bad guy. Because its easy.
Odin, do what you want to do. I can honestly see Odin being more face, but that might just be my Kevin Nash mark inside of me screaming that. I can also plausibly see ZMAC going in the other direction, as well, and I'm not going to beat that dead horse. However, it's your decision, not ours. I guess the only thing we can do is inform and influence. I don't want to do the latter...
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Post by Alex Richards on Apr 19, 2015 10:26:48 GMT -5
Odin to me feels like a face because he's a legend. People don't want to boo legendary characters.
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Post by Jay Omega on Apr 19, 2015 10:47:54 GMT -5
People don't want to boo legendary characters. I boo the shit out of Hogan. I know wrestling wouldn't be where it is without him, but for fuck's sake, the dude should have stayed retired after his eighth time. |
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Post by Alex Richards on Apr 19, 2015 10:55:45 GMT -5
the difference is, e wrestlers could be a 100 and retain their talent level. Especially in the WCF.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 11:00:13 GMT -5
the difference is, e wrestlers could be a 100 and retain their talent level. Especially in the WCF. To piggyback this, we have undead wrestlers. We have Gods. We have Serial Killers. We have at least 3 Time Machines. And a "Q"... Yeah, we don't have to worry about such trivial things, like age and ineffectiveness. We just keep going until we decide not to, or Death takes us. Whichever comes first... And on that note, Hulk Hogan is actively wrestling again? Like full-time? Or is it like he wrestles like 5 matches a year? Because the latter is more so nostalgia than it is real competition. |
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Post by Jay Omega on Apr 19, 2015 11:03:21 GMT -5
Now I want to create a 106 year old character, based on Master Roshi of Dragon Ball fame; a spindly little perv for the most part, who massively Hulks up just before a match. Owes his good health and long life to his habit of daily ingesting copious amounts of Scotch, Cuban cigars, and opiates; AKA the Lemmy Diet.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Apr 19, 2015 11:06:07 GMT -5
Time Lords, Qs, Immortals, Zombies, Serial Killers, etc. I really should have been here when I had my angels & demons gimmicks.
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Post by Jackson White on Apr 19, 2015 18:01:38 GMT -5
It depends how hard you want to go in a certain direction for me, too extreme a heel can become very bland and tiresome for others in the federation and cause extreme alienation. However a well written, reasoned, intelligent heel can be an amazing character that storylines spew from. The work Grime is doing is a tad too extreme at the moment, but if he reigned it in would show character weakness so just has to roll with it. A tough road! I'll try to give a solid heel clinic over the coming weeks/months and show said stuff in action. At least my recent face-isms have been recognised to the point people were questioning shit, even now. Good shit. Characters who are actually faces: Dune, Fenix (though he thinks hes a heel), Marc Mayhem (ditto), Occulo, Gonzo, ICE, Chelsea, TUB, Caraid, Florian Stark, Howard Black, Zione Redington. Characters who are actually heels: Myself, ZMAC, Grime, Oblivion, Logan, Kathy P, Adam Young, Reginald Dampshaw. Everyone else is a nice shade of grey! I've actually changed Jackson White's alignment to Neutral. I've been thinking about it for a long time because Fenix's personality was becoming more Face than Heel... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 19:12:05 GMT -5
I just go with the flow. I don't set out making Danny boy Heel or Face, I just start off as Neutral and end up wherever I end up.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Apr 19, 2015 20:50:56 GMT -5
I think the confusion is where face doesn't necessarily mean good guy and heel doesn't necessarily mean bad guy. In the strictest most cookie cutter sense, yes. In wrestling and especially ewrestling, its usually more complicated than that.
Orbit was always a womanizer (to put it lightly) who uses drugs and breaks every law and moral code in the world. Heel or face that's who he is. When he was face, he was appreciative of the fans, he strived to be the best and he did it in the spirit of competition. He was somewhat of an underdog who usually had the deck stacked against him. I feel like that made him likeable to the crowd, plus his charisma.
When he was heel he just wanted to win by any means necessary. He was the one stacking the deck and taking shortcuts. Instead of being charismatic he had Buddy promoting him and he didn't want anything to do with the fans. He turned into somebody who the crowd would like to see get the shit kicked out of him.
But his lifestyle, his basic personality didn't change. Just his motivations and his reasons for getting in the ring to compete.
I dunno if that is a clear explanation but that's how I always saw things.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Apr 19, 2015 20:54:25 GMT -5
Also I started out intending to be heel but as I started to get an understanding of heel/face and where I wanted to go with the character, I became a super face for most of Orbits career (until Vapor Kings). It actually took Scoutmaster saying to me "um, no, I think you're the face in our feud man" and I was like... Shit, you're right!
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