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Post by Death on Jan 15, 2015 20:50:36 GMT -5
I noticed this week that Sin is a female in my triple threat match. It's not a really big deal right now, but I have a rather strong preference that I would not have Death go up against a female. I just don't find it to be realistic, nor do I really condone it in my matches. I am not sure how others feel about this, but this is just a preference that I have for future matches.
Thanks.
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Post by Death on Jan 15, 2015 20:52:26 GMT -5
Also, by the way I worded the topic title, I am also against a handicap match where one woman takes on multiple men in a non-sexual encounter.
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Post by Kaz on Jan 15, 2015 21:03:41 GMT -5
Well, this is something that frequently happens in the WCF, and usually isn't that big of a deal. Women are just as strong of writers as men, and as such there isn't like a Men or Women's division.
You can use it in your promo though. I would.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 15, 2015 22:02:56 GMT -5
Yeah dude, it is definitely gonna happen occasionally here in WCF. There's no women's division, the men fight women. It's up to you to decide how your character deals with it but it's something that is a part of the fed. With my character I always have fun facing a woman because Orbit's relationship with women is such a huge part of his overall personality.
WCF doesn't have "divas", we have female wrestlers. As for realism, nobody is gonna write a woman powerbombing a 300 pound guy but other than that, besides them being generally smaller in stature, they are considered equals and written as equals in the matches.
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Post by Chelsea Armstrong on Jan 15, 2015 22:26:10 GMT -5
Yeah chiming in here I get here you're coming from but as it's been said there isn't a women's division...and I highly prefer that. So you will face women occasionally. The moves that occur in the match will be as realistic as possible but there's a point where you can't go fully off of it being realistic. Would someone of my characters stature hold up against men the size of say Oblivion or even Orbit in real life, maybe not but that doesn't mean that she can't kick their ass in a fed here. Like I said I get where you're coming from and I respect where you stand but on the same side it comes down...to me...respecting the handler and seeing that just because she's a women doesn't mean she can't stand against the men. The main federations I've been in I have been the only chick in the whole fed, I hate women's division's with a passion but at the same time I don't whine and complain because I'm put against guys you know? The understanding has to go both ways, I don't want guys going easy on me because I'm chick, I expect to be treated like a guy nonetheless and that's how I rp. Btw no offense is meant by this post, I just felt a need to kinda defend myself here...I'm not active but I will be coming back and I'm sure at some point I will probably face you.
Also the added comment I saw about women facing multiple men and it being handicapped... I notice you were explaining your title but when I won my first world title I was in a match with 4 to 5 other guys...so that doesn't really come in as a factor in my opinion, these girls here that just joined seemed more than able to hold their own in a match against a couple guys, I don't see the problem with it at all.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 15, 2015 22:43:15 GMT -5
I get hung up on realism sometimes too but then I remember we have time machines, people who murder regularly in their promos, spacemen, people who escaped a mental Institute, matches that would leave any human dead in the first five minutes, and all types of stretches of the imagination. Much like real wrestling (even more so here) there has to be a suspension of disbelief in order for us to be able to fully express ourselves and write what we want without boundaries.
That said, as a writer if you prefer to maintain realism throughout your writing that's perfectly acceptable and encouraged if that's how you want to present yourself. It's all good.
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Post by Kaz on Jan 15, 2015 23:59:35 GMT -5
I get hung up on realism sometimes too but then I remember we have time machines, people who murder regularly in their promos, spacemen, people who escaped a mental Institute, matches that would leave any human dead in the first five minutes, and all types of stretches of the imagination. Much like real wrestling (even more so here) there has to be a suspension of disbelief in order for us to be able to fully express ourselves and write what we want without boundaries. That said, as a writer if you prefer to maintain realism throughout your writing that's perfectly acceptable and encouraged if that's how you want to present yourself. It's all good. Don't forget the outer space werewolf. Oh and the OOOOOOOOZE BABY!
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Post by Crow McMorris on Jan 16, 2015 1:25:31 GMT -5
Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein. Every supernatural monster since owes her a massive debt, including a certain Scarecrow. The way I see it, we tell stories on a level playing field, though language. Some of the greatest writers to have ever lived have been women, so when you look at it that way. Every adversary, regardless of gender, can be formidable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 1:47:35 GMT -5
Funny enough, writing is one art form that was not exclusive to men, unlike other art forms, and continues to be a more equal opportunity art in terms of gender. If anything, we're empowering female protagonists and making female antagonists the proper villains they should be.
WCF... Where the women sexually abuse men, and not the other way around.
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Post by Logan on Jan 16, 2015 2:05:20 GMT -5
Funny enough, writing is one art form that was not exclusive to men, unlike other art forms WCF... Where the women sexually abuse men, and not the other way around. What art forms ARE exclusive to men? And women sexually abusing us... HERE? WCF?!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 2:16:08 GMT -5
Think of all the female artists you know in music, painting, sculpture, architecture, ect.
Now name more than 5 of them prior to the 20th century. Writing was one of the first art forms to accept women.
The last part I made up. Though I was thinking of this country music video where chicks and dudes switch roles. I could see the headlines now...
"Sex-Crazed Chelsea Mauls World Champion With Nipples!!!"
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Post by Odin Balfore on Jan 16, 2015 2:53:17 GMT -5
My man, you're gonna have to suck it up and deal with it. I'm sure will accommodate the best he can but he might not. From one big dude character to another. Here is my story.
My character took time off at the start of 2012 after having a very strong run as world champion. Odin is 7 foot and 340. My return match to the fed was against a women who was 4'10 and 130 pounds.
I lost.
I could argue physical attributes till I'm blue in the face but considering my long time sidekick is a personified raccoon and my last RP had me banging Mer-bitches with Bobby Cairo in Atlantis while my mad scientist doppelganger from another dimension sent a cyborg to try and kill me while I fought a paternity suit in Atlantis... yah...
it's best to just let things slide in the face of "realism"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 3:40:55 GMT -5
All I'm going to say, since I have actually gone through the trouble of personally requesting not to be booked against a certain handler while I was here (not naming names), is that don't expect this request to be honored 100%. Sure, Seth will do his best to honor it when he can, but if you're expecting it to be honored every single week (not saying that you are), you'll be disappointed. It's mostly for these two reasons:
1) Seth has a lot going on, in and out of the fed, so he's bound to forget at some point. It happens.
2) As Seth once put it to me, he can't just have a list going on where he makes a bunch of notes about which matches not to book, because then that sets a bit of a bad precedent and then that kind of enables others to want to do the same. It not only reduces booking/storyline possibilities, but it makes it less fun for everyone involved.
So, that being said, I'm going to echo the consensus sentiments. I'm not going to get into the typical gender argument of realism and all that, because it's a debate that shouldn't even exist anymore (seriously, it's 2015 now, not 1995)
But, that's just my two cents on that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 6:02:32 GMT -5
I've been booked against most of the female characters that we've had around here, at least those that have stuck around for more than a couple of matches, and I can say that it's really not an issue. Female or not, they've still got more testicular fortitude than a member of Sequitus.
Hell, my boy Kaz lost his first match in Dub See Eff-- to a black Canadian chick named Mary Mac! That was back when Kaz was wearing a Bane mask and calling himself Stryder. Now he's teaming with The Godfather as one-half of the Tag Champ-Yuns, unmasked, letting that ponytail and that thick do the talking. You know what? Getting his ass beat by that Canuck negro poon prolly made a man out of him. It'll make a man outta you too, Death. Yes, it will.
Hey, if it helps you sleep at night, just tell yourself that these bitches all trained with Ronda Rousey. That should put your male ego at ease.
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Post by "The Black Dragon" Alex Jones on Jan 16, 2015 6:40:15 GMT -5
The debate of men vs women in e-fedding as as old as the e-fed game itself. I can understand where some people come from when saying realism is stopped in e-fedding blah blah blah but when it comes down to it well..it's just preferance. I don't like women vs men, for every china or awesome kong who could take on guys there is a hundred lacy von erichs that would be squished. You can argue rey mysterio's size all you want but in the end sports, even scripted ones are divided for one reason...women and men are genetically different.
Why hasn't there been a woman who has ever been able to run faster than a man in he olympics?...why don't they let women and men box or fight mma even in the same weight division?....it's because of many physial factors like bone density and muscle mass. Now in e-fedding and wrestling it's not like that, but in most major promotions men vs women is a no no or saved as special shock value and one of the reasons why I am not an active rper here and why carly also left is because of that and Carly and I got into a huge argument when we first met because of the man vs women thing...
In the last two e-feds i've alled my home including the one I currently staff at we have had awesome active female divisions and the female titles are held at the same standard as the males and we even have a huge blow off show at the end of the year that is an all female card. My female character is a former champion there and I believe I could out rp alot of the male roster....but i don't want to....e-feds should follow on from most wrestling companys and if you are a major wrestling company that is supposed to be wwe/wcw or even TNA size then men vs women to me doesn't make any sense.....even alot of indy company's don't do it anymore.
It's just my two cents on this and it may be unpopular but again it's all personal preferance and if men vs women does bother you then maybe wcf isn't the place for you to actively roleplay at because in saying "i don't want to face females" limits your booking choices and if say Chelsea became the world champion and you earned a title shot...that could be awkward....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2015 6:59:38 GMT -5
AJ, I agree with your argument when it cums to the subject of realism--but Dub See Eff gives no fucks for realism. And ironically enough, that makes us the realest niggas in da hood. Go figga.
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Post by "The Black Dragon" Alex Jones on Jan 16, 2015 7:03:42 GMT -5
So sayeth the godfather.....you're an awesome cat Cairo but as I said just not my cup of tea and believe me I know all about wcf's relationship with realism...mech ana after being set on fire anyone?
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Post by Alex Richards on Jan 16, 2015 11:54:03 GMT -5
realism be damned. I'm for man vs. woman matches in e feds because if we didn't have them there would be no female characters and a lot less female handlers. The same two or three female characters would have to face each other over and over again until they got bored and left. Female writers are just as good as male writers so that would be a huge loss to force them out of the fed.
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Post by "The Black Dragon" Alex Jones on Jan 17, 2015 1:28:20 GMT -5
realism be damned. I'm for man vs. woman matches in e feds because if we didn't have them there would be no female characters and a lot less female handlers. The same two or three female characters would have to face each other over and over again until they got bored and left. Female writers are just as good as male writers so that would be a huge loss to force them out of the fed. now you're just generalizing that all feds only have 3 female handlers or characters.....the one I staff at has enough females we have two female belts and we run parallel to the male roster....so while wcf may have that problem it is not an accurate representation of e-fedding as a whole...also not all female handlers just handle females(johnny reb kills it as a male) and honestly some of you guys should try female characters and i know through conversations with some of the guys here at wcf that the reason why they don't do female characters is because of the man vs woman thing...again it's all just preferance, wcf is man vs woman as are some other eds..there are some all female feds popping up as well as ones that have active divisions my whole point here is that if someone comes to wcf and has a problem with the intergender format then wcf may not be for them
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Post by Alex Richards on Jan 17, 2015 8:45:15 GMT -5
you're right there are other feds with more female characters. But from my experience most of them don't. Perhaps because most of them don't encourage female characters by properly booking them.
The philosophy your fed has obviously works since it has a sizable female roster.
In the WCF there is an anything goes philosophy so in the WCF universe it wouldn't make much sense to limit male vs. female matches.
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