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Post by David Sanchez on Feb 5, 2017 21:30:42 GMT -5
*shudders, shakes head, leaves thread, kills self*
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Post by Jeff Purse on Feb 5, 2017 21:38:00 GMT -5
I always considered Jeff to be a super face, minis his brief stint where hetried to be heel with a puppet. But I'm not coming back lol. Not yet at least.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2017 23:31:20 GMT -5
I mean, Spencer Adams was a pretty hardcore face. The only edge I had was like if John Cena cursed a bunch. It was energetic people pleaser type stuff, but with competitive fire. I mean, between the trios team literally based around the fans, a people's title win, and a character of high morality, I'd say I did close to pure face.
The bottom line is, everyone gets critical of the opponent at some point. Even Teo who is known as the biggest face ever shoots his criticisms at the opponent.
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Post by Odin Balfore on Feb 5, 2017 23:37:18 GMT -5
Right now Odin is one of the top (ish) faces
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Post by The CAPTAIN on Feb 5, 2017 23:53:28 GMT -5
*Enters thread* ... *looks around* ... *waves*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 12:43:47 GMT -5
I've always played Bates as a Face, but he does get treated as a heel by a lot of other people. I think one of the biggest problems, not just in WCF, is that people can't tell the difference between face and heel anymore. I've seen Face moments in your career, but overall if I was asked I would have classified your guy as mainly a heel. Of course I'm sure we'll disagree on that, but just saying from my perspective.
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Post by Wade Moor on Feb 6, 2017 12:53:48 GMT -5
I think face/heel is all personal perception in this day and age. You love who you love, you hate who you hate. The true test of skill is if you can pull off either seamlessly with the same character. That's why the motherfucking GOAT FACE/HEEL is none other than Steve Orbit fam. Fite me if u think I'm wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 12:57:13 GMT -5
Hi.
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Post by John Rabid on Feb 6, 2017 13:07:20 GMT -5
I think it's a popular misconception that faces should be perfect and therefore boring. Nothing could be further from the truth; faces, really good faces, are flawed, complex individuals that spend as much time overcoming their own demons as they do battling tyranny. Their struggle forges them into better judges of humanity. A good face can pinpoint similar flaws in heels and exploit such deductions to overcome the forces of evil. Being a face doesn't mean you're super strong or perfect at everything, it means you're willing to fight for justice while making peace with the darker side of your own personalities.
Spencer Adams, Howard Black, Johnny Reb and Dune come to mind instantly as great examples of how to pull this off, the most complex of character studies.
Oh, and Scarecrow...he wasn't bad either, lol
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Post by erikblack on Feb 6, 2017 13:40:50 GMT -5
I personally like the guys who the fans hate to love. Erik is a ruthless bastard, but he's exciting in the ring so he gets cheered
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Post by Stuart Slane on Feb 6, 2017 14:19:23 GMT -5
I think face/heel is all personal perception in this day and age. You love who you love, you hate who you hate. The true test of skill is if you can pull off either seamlessly with the same character. That's why the motherfucking GOAT FACE/HEEL is none other than Steve Orbit fam. Fite me if u think I'm wrong. Orbit was/is/forever will be great as a heel and a face because he made you care about the character so it mattered to you what side he was on. Waylon Cash was another one who was good at this. I was legit bummed when he turned heel which meant the writer did his job.
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Post by Miss L ilithenix on Feb 6, 2017 14:29:43 GMT -5
I think it's a popular misconception that faces should be perfect and therefore boring. Nothing could be further from the truth; faces, really good faces, are flawed, complex individuals that spend as much time overcoming their own demons as they do battling tyranny. Their struggle forges them into better judges of humanity. A good face can pinpoint similar flaws in heels and exploit such deductions to overcome the forces of evil. Being a face doesn't mean you're super strong or perfect at everything, it means you're willing to fight for justice while making peace with the darker side of your own personalities. Spencer Adams, Howard Black, Johnny Reb and Dune come to mind instantly as great examples of how to pull this off, the most complex of character studies. Oh, and Scarecrow...he wasn't bad either, lol Scarecrow broke my heart when he came back all evil and stuff </3 I miss good guy Crow who was nice to Kat lol
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Post by Odin Balfore on Feb 6, 2017 14:32:48 GMT -5
I personally like the guys who the fans hate to love. Erik is a ruthless bastard, but he's exciting in the ring so he gets cheered That's the problem. Ur case works with 1 or 2 guys running that way but in wedding and WCF, a lot of guys want to run that way. WCF has a varying degrees of shitty heels, regardless if writer talent... It's because there's too many heels. There's a few good ones and the 2 or 3 top faces because there's only 3 faces or so in WCF. Like bates sats he's face but DRG was a heel stable because gem was heel and extend was heel.that kinda pulls bates into a heelish grey area especially when u add the group is a biker gang of sorts it further confuses things, despite bates character having higher moral standards. That then comes off as a forced prospective. Like bishop is a cult leader.. that's heel. He can have whatever "noble" motivation he wants.. but he's still heel. Like DRG is a face group that tolerated extremes acts and moonlighting with zmac? How's that face?
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Post by John Rabid on Feb 6, 2017 15:13:33 GMT -5
Fans can respect work rates, and that's cool, but that doesn't make someone face. Faces and heels are divided by actions, not in ring technical ability. This resides at the root of the problem. Faces and heels fighting is the engine that drives a Federation forward. We don't have balance right now. For example, take a look at Steven Singh V Joey Flash, who does the crowd cheer for? Singh? He's a heel. Flash? He's a heel. One of those guys needed to turn face, or don't book it, because it doesn't do anything for either guy. Singh should have turned full face for the program, the lines needed to be clear. It's not good enough to say, "modern wrestling doesn't have heels and faces", because that's nothing more than a bullshit WWE line that gets dropped because they don't know how to get people over anymore.
I urge people in the fed to think carefully about how they play their characters. Tweener is a bullshit cop-out, plain and simple. If you want respect? Be a face. Sure, it's harder, but if you pull it off? The rest of the fed will respect you, and you'll show each and every one of the roster just how good you are. Think of it like this. Heel is easy mode: there's no kudos there. Choose Face and succeed? That's a platinum unlock; only serious gamer's choose face. If you're a face and it works? Then you're a real talent.
We all like to think of ourselves as good RP's (and a lot of us are, no doubt) but only by rolling with a face character do you really prove it. It's the choice that separates the men from the boys.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 16:18:03 GMT -5
A good face can still talk shit. Being a face means being a respectable character, where the character looks to set an example as someone with drive and motivation fueled by morality. With Spencer Adams, I'm a maaaaaaddd shit talker. Isn't Cena a big time shit talker too though? I love playing heel, but it's not hard to do face either.
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Post by AdamYoung on Feb 6, 2017 16:23:34 GMT -5
I'll be glad to have a class on being a real Heel anytime. I mean I came into WCF a small heel and over the years have become the Ultra Heel. Now I'm switching the script and returning to what Adam was when I first started this journey in 1997-98. This will freak most of you out but I have more fun being face. Just read my last rp it was making Adam be goofy.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Feb 6, 2017 16:35:48 GMT -5
I'm sure this depends on the character but writing Orbit as a face was pretty easy. I could work with 80% of the fed because they were all heels and when you get into a program with a clearly defined face and heel, and both are willing TO SELL FOR THE OTHER PERSON, then you can have believable characters. As the face you have to be the one who looks weaker leading up to the blowoff match and I think a lot of people have a problem doing that, but I never did.
I mean if your character is... Oblivion or NvL or some type of super heel, I'm sure it's harder to do a face run, but where Orbit was never that serious as either a face or a heel I think that's why it worked. Even as a face he was never a model citizen, and as a heel he wasn't supreme evil. It was just the nuances that made the difference in the writing, telling different stories showing a darker side of the character, on top of the standard wrestling stuff-- faces are in it for the competition and to be the best within the confines of the rules, while heels just want to hurt people or have whatever selfish motive.
Anyway thanks for the shoutout Wade, always feels good to be recognized especially after all this time has passed since I was active.
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on Feb 6, 2017 17:21:47 GMT -5
I personally like the guys who the fans hate to love. Erik is a ruthless bastard, but he's exciting in the ring so he gets cheered That's the problem. Ur case works with 1 or 2 guys running that way but in wedding and WCF, a lot of guys want to run that way. WCF has a varying degrees of shitty heels, regardless if writer talent... It's because there's too many heels. There's a few good ones and the 2 or 3 top faces because there's only 3 faces or so in WCF. Like bates sats he's face but DRG was a heel stable because gem was heel and extend was heel.that kinda pulls bates into a heelish grey area especially when u add the group is a biker gang of sorts it further confuses things, despite bates character having higher moral standards. That then comes off as a forced prospective. Like bishop is a cult leader.. that's heel. He can have whatever "noble" motivation he wants.. but he's still heel. Like DRG is a face group that tolerated extremes acts and moonlighting with zmac? How's that face? This does bring up some of the questions/issues that Bates and DRG faced. A lot of it was misconceptions due to the "Biker" image. The DRG was not, and never was, a "biker gang". It was just a Motorcycle Club, with no sanction illegal activity. This is the biggest theme that I saw. Everyone no-sold the "Motorcycle Club not Biker Gang" image of DRG. We did have some "heel" characters, Mikey eXtreme being the biggest, and Gemini Battle at times. I always viewed, and I remember trying to push the story a little bit with Scarecrow, that Bates was oblivious to Mikey's illegal activities. When it came to Gemini, that was a moment in his carer when his heel status was generally taken lightly, and was more considered a joke. Bates, the fans, and many others never took him seriously. In the end, I always tried to play Bates as a man of morals struggling in a society of immorality. Very intelligent on many issues, but very blind on others. One of the biggest things he was blind to, was that not everything that happens in WCF is just a storyline or gimmick. I like to think that is what eventually broke him, and why he's gone right now. Thanks, Odin, for at least pointing out how you viewed it.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Feb 6, 2017 18:43:22 GMT -5
I've played as a face before, kept the character mostly the same but just went about things a bit differently. It worked pretty well for the time it was meant to last.
Overall the best heel I've seen here in my opinion is Stuart Slane as "The Scoutmaster" ... a heel who believes he is a face. I mean come on! That was pure gold ... and when he did turn face he was a "recovering heel."
Always been one of my favorite characters to read. The gimmick play on alignment alone had depth to it before you even read any of his roleplays.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 18:48:47 GMT -5
Tort is a fuccin jobber confirmed
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