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Post by Micky Saint on Mar 29, 2016 9:48:41 GMT -5
So Im doing my catch up on raw and smackdown as I havent really been able to watch the last few weeks and I dunno if it's because I was really really ill running a big temperature when I came to this conclusion or not but Im gunna run it by you guys and see what you think.
So is it just me or does it seem like wrestlemania this year has been set up to almost put NXT and Triple H in their place? I mean the current Shane, Taker, Vince storyline has Shane coming out and saying the exact opposite of what triple H has been doing with NXT and the guys he brings up and tries to advocate for from there. Shane said this week on Raw something along the lines of "saving this company from Triple H stephanie and Vince and stopping Triple H and Stephanie ever having complete control of the company" something a lot of people are saying is overdue to happen thanks to the success of something that was meant to be a developmental program.
Couple this with the fact that Ryder and Emma (both people who haven't been on Raw or Smackdown in months until the last 2 weeks) are gunna be on the main show and yet when they are on screen on one of the main shows that time in NXT isn't mentioned. Along with a shocking lack of promotion for Takeover Dallas and the burial of one in 3 superstars brought up from NXT no matter how brilliant they were for the company.
I just get the feeling that the big wigs in head office are trying to play down Takeover Dallas in a big way after Brooklyn upstaged summerslam last year
Also I get the irony a lot of people are gunna hear in the statement "someone is trying to hold H back" but this isn't for a spot in the company its for the future of it and having shane mcmahon come back out of nowhere and be placed in the WWE saviour role is a fucking joke and as I said just feels like an attempt to put H in his place a little
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Post by Corey Black on Mar 29, 2016 10:53:09 GMT -5
I don't think so. One show has Shinsuke Nakamura. The other has Eva Marie.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 11:14:02 GMT -5
I completely understand what you're saying, Marx. When you look at it storyline wise, then really that's just the truth. But, whether they are trying to do that is up to speculation. Anyway, as Corey said, they may try, but they obviously failed if that's the goal.
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on Mar 29, 2016 11:37:59 GMT -5
As Vice Chairman of the board for You On Demand (japan PPV and other sports multimedia) Shane's return to WWE is nothing to even bother with. The control of the company is not even in question, this is more or less, Shane's way of ridding himself of the WWE entirely. He is burying his involvement with WWE, and Vince wanted to make money with Shane's permanent departure. Add in Mark Callaway wanting to retire (with maybe another Wrestlemania match or two) and this match is a setup for failure to wrestling fans. Since Vince McMahon's will gave Shane-O monetary value only (Steph and grandkids getting control of the WWE), makes Vince writing Shane out of his will even less relevant for storyline value.
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Post by Micky Saint on Mar 29, 2016 12:26:35 GMT -5
Just seems like such a waste for what potentially could be an incredible match on the part of shane and Taker if they had simply done this as Shane wanting to do something his dad never could or even just play it off as a millionaires fancy that he wants taker at mania would make so much more sense than calling your son in law and daughter shit in every script written for the build up
Corey is right however as usual lol
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Post by Teo Blaze on Mar 29, 2016 12:49:08 GMT -5
The treatment of the NXT Stars brought up has been nothing short of deplorable.
Bo Dallas, Neville, Tyler Breeze, the Ascension...
One of the only ones they've used right is Kevin Owens, and now he's one of their main guys on each week! (The jury is out on Zayn)
i don't wanna come across as negative, but one of the big problems is the fact that neither RAW nor Smackdown is the B show anymore. WWE clearly doesn't trust these guys to carry RAW, so they play it extremely safe with them. Neville and Bo had year long reigns as champions, but you wouldn't be able to tell by their roles on RAW. You almost want to see them back on NXT just so they stop feuding with R Truth or Heath Slater.
Here's hoping Balor gets the Owens treatment.
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Post by Odin Balfore on Mar 29, 2016 13:39:22 GMT -5
Dat husky harris, doe
Lol
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Post by Gemini Battle on Mar 29, 2016 13:51:10 GMT -5
The shield were all NXT guys too. Seth Rollins was the first NXT champ.
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Post by Teo Blaze on Mar 29, 2016 13:55:35 GMT -5
The shield were all NXT guys too. Seth Rollins was the first NXT champ. You would think they would catch on that these new guys can bolster the roster rather than losing repeatedly to stardust lol. It does seem like a radical shift now that that's been pointed out though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 13:57:15 GMT -5
I know exactly what you're saying, but... As of right now, Bray's not even on the card. The guy has done a lot, but he's also lost.... A lot. It's probably the weirdest case with WWE right now. They seem to simultaneously have a ton of confidence and no confidence at all with him.
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Post by Gemini Battle on Mar 29, 2016 14:06:40 GMT -5
Bray has a back injury that's slowing him down.
At the house show he hardly took a bump and his spot where he runs and smashes his back into the turnbuckle then comes charging forward with a clothesline he didn't do. He ran towards the turnbuckle...did the hulk hogan shake of the finger to it, then ran back with the clothesline in the corner.
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Post by Torture on Mar 29, 2016 15:08:09 GMT -5
HHH books RAWs.
They suck.
Stop acting like HHH doesnt have control already lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 15:18:11 GMT -5
Okay... Then who books nxt?
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Post by Corey Black on Mar 29, 2016 15:22:07 GMT -5
"Booking" and "having final say" are two different things.
Triple H probably books and has final say over his story. The rest is cronies and Vince with final say.
NXT is Triple H's guys with him having final say.
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Post by Torture on Mar 29, 2016 15:43:27 GMT -5
Mickey Keegan and 2 writers book and story NXT.
they want to do more but are told not to. So they only book/create 3-4 stories at once.
HHH decides who is Champion, and the finishes in NXT title matches. Most in ring work is booked by Kegan, Regal, and most of the wrestlers themselves.
HHH has booked 3 finishes in NXT by himself which by most fan standards were very bad (and NXT guys have spoke out about it.)
Regal and Dusty booked the entire Bayley storyline with Charlotte and Sasha and Dusty was really adament about keeping HHH out of it per inside sources because they wanted to keep it purely competitive based and didn't want outside-story to come into play.
HHH has final-say on hires, but most of them come from the encouragment of Keegan, Regal and so forth.
HHH is in charge of NXT, yes, but he is very specific on how and when he takes credit for it because WWE wants to you believe he's the best man for the job when Vince dies.
Vince, HHH, Stephanie and Dunn all have final say for RAW, HQ writers (my sources) write cool shit, its communicated down through Stephanie to Road-Writers and Vince/Vince. They usually take the overall arc, make something of it and change it completely, and then spin it to their idea. Sometimes it works, most times it fails.
Side notes:
HHH/Stephanie 100% booked the entire Bella-Womb-Stephanie storyline.
Stephanie/HHH/Vince are 100% behind Roman Reigns and think he's their most over worker. (Let that sink in.)
Tyler Breeze has hit his cieling. He was a great jobber to the stars in NXT and HhH called him up to do the same work on the main roster. Hes barely mid-card and don't expect anything to change on that unless he overhauls his gimmick or freshens something up.
With the exception of the roster, Vince, Vince, HHH and Stephanie believe TLC was a better show because the main roster went "hard", and they had the better story, and they had a different crowd.
Those same 4 people also though Eva Marie was going to get a huge face pop on RAW last night
TL;DR HHH works the smarks like he worked the marks in 2003. Just like he has you probably thinking HHH was the leader of the Attitde Era when in reality he was third fiddle behind Taker, Austin, Rock, Foley, ans over tag teams lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 16:00:05 GMT -5
Mickey Keegan and 2 writers book and story NXT. they want to do more but are told not to. So they only book/create 3-4 stories at once. HHH decides who is Champion, and the finishes in NXT title matches. Most in ring work is booked by Kegan, Regal, and most of the wrestlers themselves. HHH has booked 3 finishes in NXT by himself which by most fan standards were very bad (and NXT guys have spoke out about it.) Regal and Dusty booked the entire Bayley storyline with Charlotte and Sasha and Dusty was really adament about keeping HHH out of it per inside sources because they wanted to keep it purely competitive based and didn't want outside-story to come into play. HHH has final-say on hires, but most of them come from the encouragment of Keegan, Regal and so forth. HHH is in charge of NXT, yes, but he is very specific on how and when he takes credit for it because WWE wants to you believe he's the best man for the job when Vince dies. Vince, HHH, Stephanie and Dunn all have final say for RAW, HQ writers (my sources) write cool shit, its communicated down through Stephanie to Road-Writers and Vince/Vince. They usually take the overall arc, make something of it and change it completely, and then spin it to their idea. Sometimes it works, most times it fails. Side notes: HHH/Stephanie 100% booked the entire Bella-Womb-Stephanie storyline. Stephanie/HHH/Vince are 100% behind Roman Reigns and think he's their most over worker. (Let that sink in.) Tyler Breeze has hit his cieling. He was a great jobber to the stars in NXT and HhH called him up to do the same work on the main roster. Hes barely mid-card and don't expect anything to change on that unless he overhauls his gimmick or freshens something up. With the exception of the roster, Vince, Vince, HHH and Stephanie believe TLC was a better show because the main roster went "hard", and they had the better story, and they had a different crowd. Those same 4 people also though Eva Marie was going to get a huge face pop on RAW last night TL;DR HHH works the smarks like he worked the marks in 2003. Just like he has you probably thinking HHH was the leader of the Attitde Era when in reality he was third fiddle behind Taker, Austin, Rock, Foley, ans over tag teams lol. Now as I said before, I don't know your sources or how much you personally find out, but here's my take/opinion, which could be entirely void if you know something I don't but whatever. As a quick sidenote, which were the finishes H booked that were unpopular? Personally I don't remember disliking any except for the finish between Corbin and Dempsey, but in the long run coupled with his heel turn it kind of made sense... Maybe? If H is booking the champs in NXT {when I say "if," I'm not discrediting anything you say, I'm just using it because I personally don't know} then he's picked some good ones for sure. The ones I'd point out as the outliers are Big E and Bo Dallas, as they used the title to build their character while the indy guys earned the title based off their existing credibility, not their potential to become big stars. I can understand Triple H thinking the same train of thought about building Reigns around the title up top, but overall I don't think Reigns fits into what Triple H would look for in a champion, considering the guy can't even decide what his personality is week to week, let alone deliver that personality convincingly. If Triple H thinks Reigns is the most over, then he's clearly going along the lines of Cena's schtick of simply eliciting emotion one way or the other, disregarding what he wants the reaction to be. With that said, could there be a chance he, or anyone who has their money on Reigns, are purposely creating a polarizing figure out of someone who they know isn't ready, but believe will reach their full potential in the near future, while creating that smark heat and younger/female fanbase at the same time? Or am I overthinking this? Reigns' build and Cena's have a few things in common. Both had legitimate pops for their characters when they had the perfect niche, but outside of that, some of the fans are finding them lacking where it counts when they're on a big platform. There's more I'd be interested in discussing but this is what's on my mind first from what's been posted, so I'll focus on this.
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Post by Torture on Mar 29, 2016 16:16:39 GMT -5
Sami/Neville was one of the finishes, I texted about the other 2 (They may be in my texts.)
People didn't like the finish because of the 3 ref bumps, AND Sami teasing a cheat spot when to be honest it did NOT need to be overbooked.
HHH wasn't in charge of NXT Champions until Neville win. His first decision was to change titles asap.
He, unlike everyone else, doesn't care for Bo Dallas. Bo is LOVED in the back every where he goes.
Reigns and Cena are polar opposites, so no idea what youre talking about.
Cena was the most over superstar they had so they continued to pull the trigger on him. From 2005 to 2008, Cenas rise as THE top guy was booked really well. Was it over protected? Fuck yes, but he deserved it as much. From 2008 to 2016? Was it boring as fuck and LOLCenaWins? Very much so, but what do you do with a guy who won't even take time off for his divorce (Exteme Rules lost to Brock) and in 24 hours settled out of court for MILLIONS just so he can get back on the road for WWE.
Roman hasn't been built up at all. He literally left Shield for the main event, got injured for half a year, came back to win Superstar of the Year (wtf?) and was put right back into Royal Rumble build as THE guy and has been (in a drastically failed build) main guy for 2 years.
HHH loves Roman so much he LITERALLY BOOKED HIMSELF AS CHAMPION TO HOLD YOUR HAND TO CHEER ROMAN AND BOO HIM AND IT STILL ISNT WORKING.
Vince even showed up to be as heel as he can be AND IT STILL ISNT WORKING. Lol. Caps are not yelling, they are driving my point home. Let me say this one more time.. THERE ARE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WHO WANT HHH AS WORLD CHAMPION ON THEIR FAVORITE PPV IN WWE RATHER THAN ANYONE ELSE. THATS how bad it is lol. Its laughablly terrible lol.
And again, Stephanie is 100% in control of "Creative" and her and her husband are the two least creative people in their position in WWE. Remarkable.
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Post by The Killenial (Caleb Ronan) on Mar 29, 2016 16:16:58 GMT -5
I am taking the view of "applaud when it's good, laugh when it's bad."
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