UNOFFICIAL WCF Ladder Rankings

[Seth]

Nov 10, 2010 20:10:51 GMT -5 Torture said:

The logic would be to have us based on winning percentages and since Torture has defeated most of the guys on the rankings (as has BK) then we would be placed accordingly. And my last five fights were all tag title matches, then our tag titles LOSS then Torture dies, then comes back to fight Creeping Death.

You're trying to tell me that Brad Kane and Torture have honestly not been apart of this roster including 80% of the guys in the rankings?

Okay man, saying "placed accordingly" is a cop out. I'm asking you, where is "placed accordingly?" Is it high, above people that they haven't beaten in months? Or is it low, below people that they HAVE beaten and were never World Champs?

[Torture]

I just don't understand if you're just keeping a list of guys who move up and down based on whose defeated, then get rid of the winning percentages, you don't need wins and losses either. Just get rid of those and keep an updated list of guys numbered/ranked one through twenty, based on who pins and gets pinned.

Essentially that's what you're doing.

[Torture]

Well you should never take them off the rankings, but if you just do what UFC does, and put them outside the top ten, then just give them a three match, or maybe five match buffer then you could place them in.

But yeah, considering for six months, I didn't fight, and eveyrone else did they move up above me every week so I continually drop down, just drop down, then I hit the bottom, then when I come back I decide to move back up and I get ranked higher than guys below the guy I just defeated. Or if you just give me a three match, or five match buffer than bam, after three/five matches it'll be clear on where I'm ranked.

You guys are making this a lot more difficult than it is, and Mikami had a loose-but strict way of doing it, and essentially you guys just made it about who moves up and down. Mikami had a simple way of looking at the top guys in the fed were at the top, and the jobbers were at the bottom, but you guys have jobbers on top, and main eventers in the middle, and the world champion on top. (Which.. he should be.)

[Seth]

Okay, so you're just ignoring my last post then because you don't have an answer, or.. ?

But the winning percentages and etc., you're correct, they were never used for the actual ranking part. They were just there as a point of interest and because they're fun to look at. Same with the wins/losses records, Mikami kept track of them just so people could see, basically.

Seriously. This was something Mikami took it upon himself to do and then Price took over and you're sucking the fun out of it. Its not official, so seriously, start your own damn rankings then. I'd love to see you rank everyone in the fed just so I could pick it apart about why so and so doesn't belong here or there, because thats what it would be.

[Seth]

Nov 10, 2010 20:24:28 GMT -5 Torture said:

Well you should never take them off the rankings, but if you just do what UFC does, and put them outside the top ten, then just give them a three match, or maybe five match buffer then you could place them in.

But yeah, considering for six months, I didn't fight, and eveyrone else did they move up above me every week so I continually drop down, just drop down, then I hit the bottom, then when I come back I decide to move back up and I get ranked higher than guys below the guy I just defeated. Or if you just give me a three match, or five match buffer than bam, after three/five matches it'll be clear on where I'm ranked.

You guys are making this a lot more difficult than it is, and Mikami had a loose-but strict way of doing it, and essentially you guys just made it about who moves up and down. Mikami had a simple way of looking at the top guys in the fed were at the top, and the jobbers were at the bottom, but you guys have jobbers on top, and main eventers in the middle, and the world champion on top. (Which.. he should be.)

LOL what? Dont take someone off when they leave, just keep moving them down? Thats even more retarded. Especially you, someone who was "dead," you'd say to have a dead guy ranked higher than half the fed?

Mikami NEVER did it that way. There were lots of times he moved non-main-eventers to the top because they beat someone up there.

If the "main eventers in the middle" want to get to the top, then fine, go for it. But because Garrison, CD, etc. kept beating top guys, the TV Title ended up near the top, and its been that way for a while. Way before Price took over.

[Torture]

I didn't ignore it, I just gave you the fact that we would be rated high, and if not high, we would be ranked high because we'll eventually win.

Mikami never moved Chris Avery above Ace Garrison when Avery defeated him, but Avery was moved up three spots.. He was still outside the top fifteen.

However, Price/Seth has moved up Avery to the fucking third spot for defeating Day. Yet, with all of your new exceptions, Day is still ranked below Avery, even though the United States Championship, AND Day beating Avery (Via a team, or a pin fall) is still ranked lower?

I haven't sucked the fun out of anything, considering this is in the Official Rankings thread, and have yet to have this overflow into any other discussions. And, there has been MANY discussions in this exact thread about OTHER subjects that had NOTHING to do with the rankings that would far out weight the fun of anything.

So don't even bring that up either, you ass hat. LOL

[Deleted]

Okay then, here's a simple fix.

You take over. The way I'm doing things doesn't meet your standards, fine, I'm out. Seth, Torture, or whoever else wants the job and the crap you get for doing it, it's yours.

I'm going back to focusing on rp's.

[Torture]

Why would I be ranked higher than half the fed??

Especially you, someone who was "dead," you'd say to have a dead guy ranked higher than half the fed?

I would be ranked higher than everyone else who didn't wrestle.. so if you wrestled one more week than I did, you'd be ranked higher? How do you not understand that?

[Torture]

Price, LOL.

[Seth]

Tort, I'm going to be honest, I don't believe you about the Avery/Garrison thing. Find me the date and I'll admit I was wrong about this whole thing.

Avery is the TV Champ and Day is the US Champ. Those belts are essentially equals, lately, so just because Day is the US Champ doesnt mean he should be any higher than the TV Champ for any reason.

Day beat Avery in a big elimination tag, which I think it was fair not to count. Bam, done.

This is in the UNOFFICIAL ranking thread, by the way. Not the official ranking thread, like you said. So hey.

Other conversations here dont bother me. Arguing over this thing which isn't even official and is just supposed to be fun does, however.

[Seth]

Nov 10, 2010 20:34:11 GMT -5 Torture said:

Why would I be ranked higher than half the fed??

Especially you, someone who was "dead," you'd say to have a dead guy ranked higher than half the fed?

I would be ranked higher than everyone else who didn't wrestle.. so if you wrestled one more week than I did, you'd be ranked higher? How do you not understand that?

That isn't what you said. You said to give yourself a five match buffer or something weird like that. Not "the next week, everyone that wrestles gets ranked above dead Torture"

and you said Dead Torture should first just move outside the Top 10, then drop down gradually, week after week, until he was at the bottom. So yes, in the beginning, Dead Torture would be ranked higher than half the roster (assuming a 20 person roster)

[Torture]

Then quit arguing, obviously, this was between Price and I. You came into this, so YOU leave. LOL

and I'll find the date, if it wasn't Ace it was someone else, I just had it on here not too long ago. I might have had Biggs on my mind.

[Torture]

No, a five match buffer for when I return. So you don't rank me until after my third or fifth fight then it'll be clearer.

I'm dead. So I go down the rankings, down, down down every week until I hit the bottom.. or at least the top of the DEAD guys who are ranked.

Idiot.

[Seth]

Uh, no? You IMed me about it first, and I'll be damned if someone is going to tell me to get out of a thread on my own damn fed's messageboard.

[Deleted]

You would have Big things on your mind....pervert.

[Deleted]

Also, I love the fact that we've now filled almost 3 pages of posts tonight....and that's all after the rankings were posted.

This poor thread has been raped.

[Seth]

Nov 10, 2010 20:38:22 GMT -5 Torture said:

No, a five match buffer for when I return. So you don't rank me until after my third or fifth fight then it'll be clearer.

I'm dead. So I go down the rankings, down, down down every week until I hit the bottom.. or at least the top of the DEAD guys who are ranked.

Idiot.

...Again, you're saying that someone that was murdered, in character, should remain ranked above other people in active competition for some period of time. I'm actually not even sure why we'd go to the trouble of keeping people that quit/got fired on the rankings to begin with.

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Nov 10, 2010 20:40:28 GMT -5 Seth said:

Nov 10, 2010 20:38:22 GMT -5 Torture said:

No, a five match buffer for when I return. So you don't rank me until after my third or fifth fight then it'll be clearer.

I'm dead. So I go down the rankings, down, down down every week until I hit the bottom.. or at least the top of the DEAD guys who are ranked.

Idiot.

...Again, you're saying that someone that was murdered, in character, should remain ranked above other people in active competition for some period of time. I'm actually not even sure why we'd go to the trouble of keeping people that quit/got fired on the rankings to begin with.

Kinda wish we had done that.

I'd still be in the top 5.

[Torture]

Yeah, but you can keep them on there because you know one day they'd be back (Exception: Torture.)

But yeah, why wouldn't Torture be ranked higher than PC Cradle? He was ranked higher before Torture died, so when he dies, he just moves to the bottom of the list but would still be ranked higher. Essentially, keeping the ranking true.

Then when Torture comes back, after five matches of defeating Avery, Tank, CD, Biggs and Gonz0, Torture could then be placed BACK into the rankings as you seem fit. Probably above those guys, or near the mid pack, considering those guys are semi-main eventers and or jobbers. LOL.

Even switch it to Brad Kane.. same thing.. He'd move down on the list, because other guys are fighting so they would move up, he moves to the bottom, comes back, and is right back on the list.

Basically, you have gotten rid of the bottom of the list (which includes people who don't efed anymore.) but they're still "there" you just can't see them. So BK would move right back up. Having him where he's at on the list isn't so bad, he could be higher or lower, based on the rankings and when they were fixed to a true point. Right now the rankings don't make sense so it'd be hard to know where he falls into position.

And I just told you to leave, you son of a bitch. This is my message board now. Don't believe me? Ask Gravedigger. We bought the company together.

[Torture]

And Jay Price is 22 and 8. Why the fuck wouldn't he be in the top five, considering he's been fighting every fucking major dude ever. He'd be a top fiver in my book.