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Post by Sarah Twilight on Sept 8, 2016 22:27:35 GMT -5
Look, I've had my ups and downs here just like anyone else but I just have to put this here because it's 2016 ... this shouldn't be an issue anymore ...
Respect ... is the biggest key to this game, on any level. Whether you are in the opening match or in the main event, respect is key to everything.
I want to point out, and btw I don't have to do so ... but I am going to anyway just to kind of send this home for everyone.
Before my internet board post regarding WAR and the WCF World Title ... I consulted with the two parties involved, as well as Seth. This is called common courtesy because not I, nor anyone else has a right to step on someone else's toes in a storyline or angle that they are working with. I asked the two people involved if this would be okay, to help along a story and add a flavor to what they were doing. If either one of them told me 'nope' ... post never happens.
It's having respect to know that other people are working on things just as hard as you are. Just like when you yourself have this great idea and begin marching forth in your story, you don't want someone else to derail that midway.
I learned a big lesson in assumption just a few years ago, and I've been in this game for about 15 years. But in 2014, I assumed that someone was leaving because they made some posts as such hinting at it. I had, at the time been running an angle where I was eliminating people (people who were leaving the fed, not just targeting people without asking.) But my assumption was the flaw ... I asked Seth if it was okay, and it was ... because he had the same assumption. But regardless, I never went to the person and asked because I assumed they were gone. The person had been and to this day continues to be a good friend of mine despite my mistake.
The point is, you don't know what someone else is working on or doing. I did not know that my friend had changed their mind and wanted to stay, so when I enacted MY storyline, it crippled their chance of working out what they wanted to do and it was wrong ... all because I just assumed it was okay and was thinking of adding to my storyline. Had I ASKED them, I'd have known that was not the case. But I ASSUMED they were gone and I ASSUMED I only needed to ask Seth.
Look, it's in the rules ... be respectful, ask permission if you wanna do something. If someone says No, respect that. More than likely, they have something else going on and whatever you want to do doesn't fit in.
Don't try and force yourself into other people's stories ... it will NEVER work out well for you. Working on a story is a mutual thing ... if you try and make it one sided, you will lose every single time.
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Post by Miles MacArthur on Sept 8, 2016 22:50:50 GMT -5
tl;dr: don't call someone a big piece of shit because they won't work with you  |
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Post by Corey Black on Sept 8, 2016 23:12:39 GMT -5
If you do call someone a piece of shit, make sure it isn't a mod, because that mod will probably ban you.
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on Sept 9, 2016 0:49:19 GMT -5
that respect should also include selling other gimmicks and not just your own. The 'I can still whoop that guys ass' is half assing it when the gimmick damn near demands a person going 'I have to face that fucking psycho? Holly hell, how am I gonna survive this shit!' Even the Stone Cold type would be walking on eggshells. Remember how pissed off he was for having a match the night after taking 10 of Benoit's german suplexes in one match? The tough badass was whining like a little bitch for weeks. Even Hogan sold how tough a match would be when going against larger opponents, and when he refused to sell it in promo they changed the match ending on him to lose.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Sept 9, 2016 0:51:37 GMT -5
Efed 101: A gimmick is not inserting yourself in everyone else's threads until you get what you want.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Sept 9, 2016 0:52:23 GMT -5
So no, nobody has to sell a person like that. Because they are just being an asshole, and that asshole is OOC not IC.
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on Sept 9, 2016 0:55:28 GMT -5
I'm referring to IC posting. A person can be a douche OOC as long as they play the scenario correct for all parties involved IC.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Sept 9, 2016 1:24:09 GMT -5
And when they do not, they cannot expect to be coddled. If you have an issue with the word 'No' ... the issue is yours and yours alone. This is efedding, it's a game ... and just like any other game, sometimes people do not wish to play your version, OR they already have another version going on and ask you to wait and maybe later will play your version. If the response to that is throwing the controller into the television screen, you cannot expect that anyone thereafter gives a shit what it is that you want and you are lucky if you leave with your head.
Everyone here will work along, and we always have. People maintain their own character while interacting with others.
But if Freezer Burn and Joe Smarts have been working on a feud for weeks and then worked out a segment where Freezer Burn attacks Joe to elevate said feud, and then suddenly CJ Phoenix attacks Freezer right before the segment Freezer and Joe worked on and CJ never asked Freezer if said thing was ok ... guess what? Nobody has to give a fuck what CJ thinks. He just interfered in another story because that is what HE wanted.
Nobody has to sell that ever.
Btw CJ, I just grabbed names in chat for my examples. I think you're awesome please don't take this as me saying you have ever done ANY of this.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 1:41:30 GMT -5
I'm still learning the ropes so to speak when it comes to this type of efed. That being said, my character is quite the prick sometimes. If I have stepped on someone's angle or done anything wrong, I ask you bear with me.
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Post by CJ Phoenix on Sept 9, 2016 1:49:03 GMT -5
And when they do not, they cannot expect to be coddled. If you have an issue with the word 'No' ... the issue is yours and yours alone. This is efedding, it's a game ... and just like any other game, sometimes people do not wish to play your version, OR they already have another version going on and ask you to wait and maybe later will play your version. If the response to that is throwing the controller into the television screen, you cannot expect that anyone thereafter gives a shit what it is that you want and you are lucky if you leave with your head. Everyone here will work along, and we always have. People maintain their own character while interacting with others. But if Freezer Burn and Joe Smarts have been working on a feud for weeks and then worked out a segment where Freezer Burn attacks Joe to elevate said feud, and then suddenly CJ Phoenix attacks Freezer right before the segment Freezer and Joe worked on and CJ never asked Freezer if said thing was ok ... guess what? Nobody has to give a fuck what CJ thinks. He just interfered in another story because that is what HE wanted. Nobody has to sell that ever. Btw CJ, I just grabbed names in chat for my examples. I think you're awesome please don't take this as me saying you have ever done ANY of this. YOU KNOW WHAT!? Babble babble babble babble!! Lmao and thanks for calling me awesome. I have done something distantly relative to this. It was the heel turn that my character did earlier in the year when I attacked Andrew Marx after the match we had. I didn't ask him, nor did I expect for him to elevate it as far as to make it a career ending injury. Though I am lucky that he didn't really want to move forward with that character anymore and chose to put me over by escalating the severity of the attack, I look back on it and feel like I really didn't deserve it. He gave me permission to use the assault as fuel for heel heat, but I took it a bit too far. He told me about it respectfully, so I stopped and moved on with progressing my character. I also still think about what CD said about selling, and it gave me a different concept on how I approach matches, especially when I write them. Basically, the way I see it is the more you sell your opponents, the more it helps you get sold. If you no sell everything from your opponent and win, then the victory doesn't really have much value. If you no sell and you lose, then it REALLY makes your character look weak because you spent all of this time making it look like you were that much better and your opponent wasn't a threat, and then you lost to said non threat. However, if you sell your opponent as a formidable foe and you lose, then it's like "well, he/she may have lost, but they were able to push a great competitor to their limits". Finally, if you sell your opponent as a serious threat and you win, then it's like "wow, this guy/girl just beat an opponent of that caliber? They definitely deserve props for that". Simply put, sell to be sold. Now if you'd excuse me, I have to try to sell the quoted post from Twilight to a caveman so his reading comprehension can look strong. |
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on Sept 9, 2016 1:53:19 GMT -5
fuck storylines. Oblivion is a killer and monster and he's treated like a joke.
Lilith is a dangerous bitch and people keep pushing her buttons anyways. A few, not all.
ZT are very powerful newcomers here in WCF, proven their skill, and still treated like it will be a moderately easy win. An appropriate response nowadays should be 'how the hell do we stop these guys?'
I follow other people's character gimmick, play through it, and for the most part 'I get treated well' here in WCF and am being treated accordingly to character actions and decisions with which I have no problem with, so I'm obviously NOT talking about how I'm being treated.
You disappeared long enough to not have the whole picture as well as you used to. You're a smart person, so take a breath, step back, and take another look at the things I have said 'in this thread'.
If you want to go with what I'm saying in the IC thread, then be IC and say so in the IC thread. I can separate the two short of accidental postings because I didn't check which thread I was in first, oops, it's happened to everybody at some point. I try to keep it at a minimum.
I, Daniel, the handler of this make believe character, respect you and your skill, the handler behind Sarah Twilight.
But IC, Freezer Burn sees Sarah Twilight as a very worthy in ring competitor. Freezer Burn respects the athlete in the ring, but sees no value with 'Sarah' in the GM spot and by proxy refuses to respect the GM Sarah.
Shouldn't matter one bit to you as the handler because it's an IC trait, not an OOC trait.
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Sept 9, 2016 2:01:43 GMT -5
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Sept 9, 2016 2:05:25 GMT -5
Before today ... scrolling down the inet boards ... 8 of the 10 most recent threads ... last post made by the same person ... number of threads out of 10 that had to do with said person? 1
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Sept 9, 2016 2:09:47 GMT -5
Anyhow, in regard to Mr. Burn ... I just ignored him as boss, never de-legitimized what he said ... in fact ignoring probably DID legitimize it lol
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Post by Odin Balfore on Sept 9, 2016 2:15:05 GMT -5
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on Sept 9, 2016 2:19:45 GMT -5
I made an IC response to someone's IC response. He continued after that, I did not. My IC response goes right back to what I just posted about how 'Freezer Burn' views Sarah Twilight as GM. Butcher is NOT my character so don't lecture me on someone else's responses. You want to be pissed at person A, then be pissed at person A, not A through Z.
I could have been a smartass and continued to comment on proxy about my own former world title runs out of WCF and not in it, but I respected it well enough to leave it be.
You sell other people's stuff and I never said that YOU did not. I was upset a couple weeks ago over a storyline issue, but I'm over it. I thought we was alright again. But you want to blame me for other people's responses IC to you? Is exactly what I'm talking about as far as selling other poeples gimmicks. I am not butcher. I am not the gimmick formerly known as the baron.
You want to blame me for what someone else did? I guess we're not alright after all.
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Post by Odin Balfore on Sept 9, 2016 2:33:21 GMT -5
So whatever this is.. it stops now.
No one is responding, no one is replying. if ya'll got unsettled nonsense, PM each other. I'm not going to let this sit and build and brew.
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Post by 3 on Sept 9, 2016 3:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by AdamYoung on Sept 9, 2016 4:09:48 GMT -5
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Post by Psychopomp on Sept 9, 2016 6:42:05 GMT -5
But the question is...will Pomp ever get his pizza?! He's getting hungry!
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