Orlando

[Jeff Purse]

I think it's your responsibility to understand that things like this are unacceptable in or outside the confines of this game. I mean use some common sense here.

[Deleted]

Especially after I saw the pictures and news, this would be like using 9/11 or Boston Marathon material the day after the attack. It would be crass, sickening, and all sorts of horrible words that I cannot even come up with to describe what kind of person would use this as motivation.

This is a tragedy that should be mourned, not celebrated or used as cannon fodder in our RP's. Before I saw the reports and the news, I don't think I grasped the seriousness of the event, but I do now.

Slane is right to call anyone a shit if you went down this road in an RP. Just glad the bastard responsible has been sent straight to hell, though that brings little closure to the victims of a hate crime that could be religiously/politically motivated.

[Thomas Uriel Bates]

I know this may upset people, but quite frankly I'm upset right now. I'm pissed off that this is happening, and is allowed to happen, and is used by politicians to take away our rights, and our ability to defend themselves. I posted this on Facebook, and after much consideration, it's the only thing I have to say on the matter.

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I think some of you know that I am in no way supportive of the homosexual community, but the simple fact is that while I disagree with their choice, they do not deserve to die. Radical Muslims believe that homosexuals need to die, just as they believe that all other infidels need to die, just as they believe that we all need to die. We are at war, and it’s time we realize it.

They are already pushing for gun control measures, seemingly unaware, or uncaring, that gun control is the very act that has led to our current predicament. Our Second Amendment, in part, was ratified for the very purpose of defending against the threat that has occurred not just in Orlando, but San Bernardino, Charleston, Chattanooga, Fort Hood, and New York City. Gun Control is not the solution to our suffering, but rather the cause of it.

It is not just our basic and unalienable right to keep and bear arms, but it is our duty as American citizens to do so. The Second Amendment to the Constitution states, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” It is the purpose of the Second Amendment to defend the free State, it is up to us, the citizens, to defend our Nation against our enemies.

We must supply ourselves, we must train ourselves, and we must arm ourselves in order to meet this threat with the same zeal as those that wish to destroy us. We must push for our legislators to uphold the Constitution and help us to supply, arm, and train. We must remove legislators who would continue our suffering by their ludicrous ideas that criminals, terrorist, would follow laws. Laws are not meant to prevent crime, but to punish those who would violate the law. It is foolish to believe that a new law, especially one that contradicts the very soul of this nation as well as it’s Supreme Law, could prevent crime or acts of terror.

My heart goes out to the victims, it goes out towards the families of the victims. My hatred, my anger, goes out towards the Radical Muslims that commit these atrocities, and the politicians who enable such horrors to be committed by taking away our ability to defend ourselves. May justice prevail, may it be quick, may it be merciless. Vive la Orlando, vive la florida, vive la America, vive la liberté!

[Deleted]

Jun 12, 2016 20:03:24 GMT -5 Thomas Uriel Bates said:

I know this may upset people, but quite frankly I'm upset right now. I'm pissed off that this is happening, and is allowed to happen, and is used by politicians to take away our rights, and our ability to defend themselves. I posted this on Facebook, and after much consideration, it's the only thing I have to say on the matter.

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I think some of you know that I am in no way supportive of the homosexual community, but the simple fact is that while I disagree with their choice, they do not deserve to die. Radical Muslims believe that homosexuals need to die, just as they believe that all other infidels need to die, just as they believe that we all need to die. We are at war, and it’s time we realize it.

They are already pushing for gun control measures, seemingly unaware, or uncaring, that gun control is the very act that has led to our current predicament. Our Second Amendment, in part, was ratified for the very purpose of defending against the threat that has occurred not just in Orlando, but San Bernardino, Charleston, Chattanooga, Fort Hood, and New York City. Gun Control is not the solution to our suffering, but rather the cause of it.

It is not just our basic and unalienable right to keep and bear arms, but it is our duty as American citizens to do so. The Second Amendment to the Constitution states, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” It is the purpose of the Second Amendment to defend the free State, it is up to us, the citizens, to defend our Nation against our enemies.

We must supply ourselves, we must train ourselves, and we must arm ourselves in order to meet this threat with the same zeal as those that wish to destroy us. We must push for our legislators to uphold the Constitution and help us to supply, arm, and train. We must remove legislators who would continue our suffering by their ludicrous ideas that criminals, terrorist, would follow laws. Laws are not meant to prevent crime, but to punish those who would violate the law. It is foolish to believe that a new law, especially one that contradicts the very soul of this nation as well as it’s Supreme Law, could prevent crime or acts of terror.

My heart goes out to the victims, it goes out towards the families of the victims. My hatred, my anger, goes out towards the Radical Muslims that commit these atrocities, and the politicians who enable such horrors to be committed by taking away our ability to defend ourselves. May justice prevail, may it be quick, may it be merciless. Vive la Orlando, vive la florida, vive la America, vive la liberté!

Honestly, in my opinion, save the gun discussion for later. Right now, as in NOW now, it's time to literally level ISIS held lands. We have bombers almost sixty years old that are able to do this, not to mention the B2 and all that shit. This was literally an act of war by what the enemy country considers a full fledged soldier. We can discuss who should have guns later, after we have annihilated a massive portion of those who wish to use firearms for the reasons we would have to discuss gun control. 

[Thomas Uriel Bates]

Jun 12, 2016 21:00:58 GMT -5 @dagriddik said:

Jun 12, 2016 20:03:24 GMT -5 Thomas Uriel Bates said:

I know this may upset people, but quite frankly I'm upset right now. I'm pissed off that this is happening, and is allowed to happen, and is used by politicians to take away our rights, and our ability to defend themselves. I posted this on Facebook, and after much consideration, it's the only thing I have to say on the matter.

-----

I think some of you know that I am in no way supportive of the homosexual community, but the simple fact is that while I disagree with their choice, they do not deserve to die. Radical Muslims believe that homosexuals need to die, just as they believe that all other infidels need to die, just as they believe that we all need to die. We are at war, and it’s time we realize it.

They are already pushing for gun control measures, seemingly unaware, or uncaring, that gun control is the very act that has led to our current predicament. Our Second Amendment, in part, was ratified for the very purpose of defending against the threat that has occurred not just in Orlando, but San Bernardino, Charleston, Chattanooga, Fort Hood, and New York City. Gun Control is not the solution to our suffering, but rather the cause of it.

It is not just our basic and unalienable right to keep and bear arms, but it is our duty as American citizens to do so. The Second Amendment to the Constitution states, “A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” It is the purpose of the Second Amendment to defend the free State, it is up to us, the citizens, to defend our Nation against our enemies.

We must supply ourselves, we must train ourselves, and we must arm ourselves in order to meet this threat with the same zeal as those that wish to destroy us. We must push for our legislators to uphold the Constitution and help us to supply, arm, and train. We must remove legislators who would continue our suffering by their ludicrous ideas that criminals, terrorist, would follow laws. Laws are not meant to prevent crime, but to punish those who would violate the law. It is foolish to believe that a new law, especially one that contradicts the very soul of this nation as well as it’s Supreme Law, could prevent crime or acts of terror.

My heart goes out to the victims, it goes out towards the families of the victims. My hatred, my anger, goes out towards the Radical Muslims that commit these atrocities, and the politicians who enable such horrors to be committed by taking away our ability to defend ourselves. May justice prevail, may it be quick, may it be merciless. Vive la Orlando, vive la florida, vive la America, vive la liberté!

Honestly, in my opinion, save the gun discussion for later. Right now, as in NOW now, it's time to literally level ISIS held lands. We have bombers almost sixty years old that are able to do this, not to mention the B2 and all that shit. This was literally an act of war by what the enemy country considers a full fledged soldier. We can discuss who should have guns later, after we have annihilated a massive portion of those who wish to use firearms for the reasons we would have to discuss gun control. 

Two problems. Our corrupt government has already made it the issue. Second, the people need to be armed in order to stop the next attack.

[Deleted]

Jun 12, 2016 21:05:06 GMT -5 Thomas Uriel Bates said:

Jun 12, 2016 21:00:58 GMT -5 @dagriddik said:

Honestly, in my opinion, save the gun discussion for later. Right now, as in NOW now, it's time to literally level ISIS held lands. We have bombers almost sixty years old that are able to do this, not to mention the B2 and all that shit. This was literally an act of war by what the enemy country considers a full fledged soldier. We can discuss who should have guns later, after we have annihilated a massive portion of those who wish to use firearms for the reasons we would have to discuss gun control. 

Two problems. Our corrupt government has already made it the issue. Second, the people need to be armed in order to stop the next attack.

Yeah, true, and I knew that would happen. I can see good ol' Obama Slamma now, "These people (pause) are just misunderstood (pause) what the problem really is (pause) is the ease of access to (pause) firearms (pause) how could they (pause) resist the temptation?" Unfortunately, trying to get people to accept the logic of arming themselves against attackers and passing reforms through congress would take wayyyy longer than just declaring war on an enemy nation and sending in our and NATO's (and probably Russia's) bombers. It's no surprise Iraq can't route them out of Fallujah or Mosul or wherever their stronghold is; their army is pathetic and probably defecting to the enemy. Just level the damn place, and if it's really so important to keep Iraq strong, we'll rebuild the damn mud hut village into an actual city. I'm sure McDonalds and shit would flock with investments.

[Sarah Twilight]

Another false flag event. And no I am not saying the event didn't happen and that people didn't die. But when you see the SAME people on TV for all these major events (Sandy Hook, Colorado Movie Theater, Orlando) eventually you have to wake up to the fact that all of this shit is by design and it is all done to gain more government control over our lives. 

I'm sure plenty of people don't wanna hear that, but that's how it is. Look for yourselves, the evidence is there. They have the same "crisis" actors in place for each of these tragedies, scripted on what to say and how to say it. It's all about an agenda push, and our own government is at least allowing it, if not orchestrating it. I actually wouldn't doubt the latter at all because this is about power. Just waiting to see which event causes enough civil unrest to call for martial law and confiscate guns. Why? Because an armed people cannot be controlled the way an unarmed people can be. 

This is why we have the second amendment and that defense against enemies INCLUDES our own government. Just have a watchful eye and know that the wolves come as sheep.

[Corey Black]

Not a rational person in this thread. Hooray conspiracy crazies.

50 people are dead. It isn't about anything else.

[Sarah Twilight]

And if you would like further confirmation of these things, or somehow believe that our government actually represents anything other than itself and its own power ... take note of this.

It is GOVERNMENT and the government controlled MEDIA who have reignited the racial divide in this country that has not existed to this degree in fifty years. Gee, what does this do? Violence ... civil unrest maybe?

It is GOVERNMENT and their media who have divided religions and pushed mandates AGAINST certain ones despite the supposed separation of church and state. Hmm, more dividing, more pissing people off. There's a trend here.

It is GOVERNMENT and their media who have created and pushed for the mistrust and hatred of law enforcement by the general public. Gee I wonder why? Civil unrest maybe?

It is GOVERNMENT and their media who have created the issue of transgender bathroom policy when it had no reason to even bother with it. In fact if transgender people WERE using opposite bathrooms before, nobody ever knew it until Obama made it an issue.

Funny how it is the LGBT community who suffers the latest attack. I wonder what that was meant to accomplish? More diving? Maybe violence? 

The same things that BLM was supposed to accomplish for them. The same thing pushing African Americans vs the police was supposed to accomplish for them.

They haven't had their wish yet: the excuse for marshal law. But they do have the country divided ... and if you ever learned anything about our founding in history class ... I'll leave you with this final quote ...


United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

[Thomas Uriel Bates]

If it wasn't a Muslim, then I would consider the possibility of this being a false flag attack. Also understand that False Flag attacks could still have actual casualties, it is just the act of pretending to be one thing when it's something else.

What stops me from thinking this is a false flag, is the fact that it was a Muslim attacking a homosexual nightclub. This goes against the ideals of the current administration. They do want us to believe that guns are bad, and people who don't support homosexuality are bad, but they don't want us to think that Muslims are bad. It just doesn't fit their narrative for me.

What happened was real, false flag or not. The victims should be mourned, and those guilt should pay the full price of a swift justice. ISIS has already claimed the attack, and everything is pointing towards Islamic Terrorism. They are supported by certain people in our government, and we should go after all of them.

[Sarah Twilight]

Yeah, I had explained that I didn't at all mean no one died. Just that false flag is by design. Obama's response to it makes me feel it was by design "we need to look inward at ourselves and how we treat the LGBT community" etc, and ignoring it was a muslim attacking homosexuals. I believe it was by design because now you've got the "Islamaphobia" response, the "homophobia" response and the gun was the bad guy, not the shooter.

[Sarah Twilight]

Jun 13, 2016 16:42:29 GMT -5 Corey Black said:

Not a rational person in this thread. Hooray conspiracy crazies.

50 people are dead. It isn't about anything else.

You're absolutely right, the media isn't trying to shape public opinion to fit a government agenda at all. It's all a conspiracy.





I'll just leave this here ...

[dropkickgregory]

There was no hate in this crime it was a sanctioned killing whether you want to believe it or not

[Thomas Uriel Bates]

Jun 13, 2016 17:15:23 GMT -5 Sarah Twilight said:

Jun 13, 2016 16:42:29 GMT -5 Corey Black said:

Not a rational person in this thread. Hooray conspiracy crazies.

50 people are dead. It isn't about anything else.

You're absolutely right, the media isn't trying to shape public opinion to fit a government agenda at all. It's all a conspiracy.





I'll just leave this here ...

This is what's got me so angry. The bodies are not even cold yet and the traitors in our government are calling for us to lay down our arms and simply allow terrorism to win.

[Severan King]

Jun 12, 2016 19:47:19 GMT -5 @game said:

Especially after I saw the pictures and news, this would be like using 9/11 or Boston Marathon material the day after the attack. It would be crass, sickening, and all sorts of horrible words that I cannot even come up with to describe what kind of person would use this as motivation.

This is a tragedy that should be mourned, not celebrated or used as cannon fodder in our RP's. Before I saw the reports and the news, I don't think I grasped the seriousness of the event, but I do now.

Slane is right to call anyone a shit if you went down this road in an RP. Just glad the bastard responsible has been sent straight to hell, though that brings little closure to the victims of a hate crime that could be religiously/politically motivated.

Thank you for that I shall delete my poll. I was not following this post too closely.

[Sarah Twilight]

[Corey Black]

New York Daily News looks to be about as credible as TMZ. As in a joke at best.

[Deleted]

Jun 13, 2016 17:01:48 GMT -5 Thomas Uriel Bates said:

If it wasn't a Muslim, then I would consider the possibility of this being a false flag attack. Also understand that False Flag attacks could still have actual casualties, it is just the act of pretending to be one thing when it's something else.

What stops me from thinking this is a false flag, is the fact that it was a Muslim attacking a homosexual nightclub. This goes against the ideals of the current administration. They do want us to believe that guns are bad, and people who don't support homosexuality are bad, but they don't want us to think that Muslims are bad. It just doesn't fit their narrative for me.

What happened was real, false flag or not. The victims should be mourned, and those guilt should pay the full price of a swift justice. ISIS has already claimed the attack, and everything is pointing towards Islamic Terrorism. They are supported by certain people in our government, and we should go after all of them.

That's funny, this is exactly what I was thinking. In general though, I'm not a conspiracy guy.

[Corey Black]

2edgy4me

[Mikey eXtreme]

Jun 13, 2016 18:12:16 GMT -5 Corey Black said:

New York Daily News looks to be about as credible as TMZ. As in a joke at best.

I read the sports section. Sometimes there's a decent local piece in it, but you just take it for what it's worth.