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Post by Corey Black on May 12, 2016 9:32:22 GMT -5
No more than 10% of our roster should be champions.
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Post by Corey Black on May 12, 2016 9:33:14 GMT -5
Maybe 20%
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Post by Stuart Slane on May 12, 2016 9:36:02 GMT -5
I think you can get rid of the Internet Title and instead people campaign for the People's Title on the Internet Board. The numbers don't really justify the Tag Team Titles, but even when the roster was big there was always push back against being labeled a tag team wrestler.
The United States Title has a place I think. I know the Television Championship can serve as an intermediate level belt too, it is supposed to be a title for newer people. Maybe some kind of point system can be set up for that belt where you defend it x number of times and you're guaranteed a US Title shot? That would help make the United States Championship a bit more relevant.
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Post by Lilith on May 12, 2016 9:36:28 GMT -5
Right now we have about 25 members. 10% would be way too low imo, that's only 2 champions out of everyone. 20-25% is a better number
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Post by Lilith on May 12, 2016 9:39:53 GMT -5
I think you can get rid of the Internet Title and instead people campaign for the People's Title on the Internet Board. The numbers don't really justify the Tag Team Titles, but even when the roster was big there was always push back against being labeled a tag team wrestler. The United States Title has a place I think. I know the Television Championship can serve as an intermediate level belt too, it is supposed to be a title for newer people. Maybe some kind of point system can be set up for that belt where you defend it x number of times and you're guaranteed a US Title shot? That would help make the United States Championship a bit more relevant. I like your idea for the peoples title. Contenders do things on the Internet boards and then seth decides the winner. I like that. Gets away from the ooc favouritism so many of us seemingly don't like. Also the points system idea is an interesting one  |
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Post by Stuart Slane on May 12, 2016 9:53:48 GMT -5
I think you can get rid of the Internet Title and instead people campaign for the People's Title on the Internet Board. The numbers don't really justify the Tag Team Titles, but even when the roster was big there was always push back against being labeled a tag team wrestler. The United States Title has a place I think. I know the Television Championship can serve as an intermediate level belt too, it is supposed to be a title for newer people. Maybe some kind of point system can be set up for that belt where you defend it x number of times and you're guaranteed a US Title shot? That would help make the United States Championship a bit more relevant. I like your idea for the peoples title. Contenders do things on the Internet boards and then seth decides the winner. I like that. Gets away from the ooc favouritism so many of us seemingly don't like. Also the points system idea is an interesting one I think people should still be allowed to vote for People's Title. That's part of the fun, and what makes it unique. |
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Post by 'The Shine' Brent Alpine on May 12, 2016 9:55:19 GMT -5
Honestly saying that there can't be an Internet title because people go OOC in IC is pretty much the same as saying "people cant rp because people go ooc in ic in rps" the twitter board is just an extension of the rp board, neither of which should you go ooc in. In fact when the new mod team is established I think we should crack down on the whole thing because previously people did get upset/hurt by people going ooc in ic stuff and I don't think it should be tolerated I get your perspective but the Internet stuff is so shoot intensive whereas RPs are generally broader and more narrative based. I'm not saying to can it full stop but, at the moment, I don't think it's helpful. I very much agree with your second point - it's such a grey area but history has shown us that blurring the lines is ultimately destructive. Best to be clearly IC, I think, and most people are creative enough to stick to it. |
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Post by 'The Shine' Brent Alpine on May 12, 2016 9:59:44 GMT -5
I think you can get rid of the Internet Title and instead people campaign for the People's Title on the Internet Board. The numbers don't really justify the Tag Team Titles, but even when the roster was big there was always push back against being labeled a tag team wrestler. The United States Title has a place I think. I know the Television Championship can serve as an intermediate level belt too, it is supposed to be a title for newer people. Maybe some kind of point system can be set up for that belt where you defend it x number of times and you're guaranteed a US Title shot? That would help make the United States Championship a bit more relevant. I like this. A merging of the two - the PIT (People's Internet Title)? |
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Post by Lilith on May 12, 2016 10:00:04 GMT -5
I like your idea for the peoples title. Contenders do things on the Internet boards and then seth decides the winner. I like that. Gets away from the ooc favouritism so many of us seemingly don't like. Also the points system idea is an interesting one I think people should still be allowed to vote for People's Title. That's part of the fun, and what makes it unique. I just don't like how the peoples title is essentially "which character do you, the handler, prefer?" It encourages ooc favouritism which isn't a good thing. |
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Post by Micky Saint on May 12, 2016 10:31:44 GMT -5
Lilith without getting into anything here you have been the kind of player IN THE PAST who has reveled in the kinda things I have complained about the internet title for of course you like it controversy made your name here and Im not saying people intentional float in and out of IC and OOC it just happens because people get pissed off having to reply 300 times a day and blur the lines in their own heads. Look at Dags start here for instance we all had no idea whether the guy was a straight up cunt or just a cool guy playing the game (love you dag) making trolling a part of your title structure makes trolling a major part of your fed and encourages the wrong kind of behaviour from new people hence the amount of scumbags that have come through the door here at times trying to ruin the fun of everyone else
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Post by Lilith on May 12, 2016 10:51:32 GMT -5
Lilith without getting into anything here you have been the kind of player IN THE PAST who has reveled in the kinda things I have complained about the internet title for of course you like it controversy made your name here and Im not saying people intentional float in and out of IC and OOC it just happens because people get pissed off having to reply 300 times a day and blur the lines in their own heads. Look at Dags start here for instance we all had no idea whether the guy was a straight up cunt or just a cool guy playing the game (love you dag) making trolling a part of your title structure makes trolling a major part of your fed and encourages the wrong kind of behaviour from new people hence the amount of scumbags that have come through the door here at times trying to ruin the fun of everyone else I have never gone ooc on the ic boards and have been quite vocal against doing that for the longest time so I'm not sure what you're talking about? Unless of course you're talking about trolling people on the IC boards, but that was always done in character and my character is naturally trollish so it's not exactly the same thing |
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Post by Sarah Twilight on May 12, 2016 10:57:50 GMT -5
3 champions out of 23 people is more than enough. That puts about 7-8 people in contention for each which is a comfortable number.
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Post by Micky Saint on May 12, 2016 12:11:47 GMT -5
Describing your character as naturally trollish is what I mean exactly, just because you know its IC and being done because you feel its what your character would do it doesn't mean other people understand that look at the most controversial characters here each one would probably consider themselves naturally trollish and each one has at time made this a shittier place to be for someone else or made someone new leave because it looks like the board doesnt want new guys and treats their characters like dirt. They probably didn't notice when they were doing it because they think its ok because its the internet boards but you guys are talking about changing things round here the naturally trollish characters and people humouring them are what caused the issues WCF just had did they not? Don't you think steering away from that behaviour would be the best thing to bring this place back round? Having the internet title as a reward system for being the best at making people look and feel like shit is a bad thing, because that's the tactic to demoralise your opponent the words may be IC but the effect your looking for is OOC because thats how you win by beating your opponent into submission and thats coming from someone who held that title twice and beat some great writers to get it both times round
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Post by Micky Saint on May 12, 2016 12:13:52 GMT -5
Lil Im really not taking shots at you or anything in particular here I am just talking about something that happens in effeding to much in general
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Post by The Killenial (Caleb Ronan) on May 12, 2016 12:14:26 GMT -5
World, US, Tag, People's.
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Post by Teo Blaze on May 12, 2016 12:27:31 GMT -5
I think you can get rid of the Internet Title and instead people campaign for the People's Title on the Internet Board. The numbers don't really justify the Tag Team Titles, but even when the roster was big there was always push back against being labeled a tag team wrestler. The United States Title has a place I think. I know the Television Championship can serve as an intermediate level belt too, it is supposed to be a title for newer people. Maybe some kind of point system can be set up for that belt where you defend it x number of times and you're guaranteed a US Title shot? That would help make the United States Championship a bit more relevant. The main problem with being a tag team wrestler is that there was nothing to differentiate a tag team Roleplay from a World Title Roleplay. This means that on any week, the world champions could just decide to pick up the belt and kill the entire division. Anyone else remember when Flash and Fly almost killed the belts just because nobody wanted to challenge them? I don't know how you fix this, if you make it that a tag team RP has to be a dual effort, or what, but we'll never have a legion of doom because there's always going to be that possibility. Being a tag team specialist just means that you're a good Roleplayer who hasn't gotten a singles title match yet. |
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Post by Lilith on May 12, 2016 12:27:52 GMT -5
Describing your character as naturally trollish is what I mean exactly, just because you know its IC and being done because you feel its what your character would do it doesn't mean other people understand that look at the most controversial characters here each one would probably consider themselves naturally trollish and each one has at time made this a shittier place to be for someone else or made someone new leave because it looks like the board doesnt want new guys and treats their characters like dirt. They probably didn't notice when they were doing it because they think its ok because its the internet boards but you guys are talking about changing things round here the naturally trollish characters and people humouring them are what caused the issues WCF just had did they not? Don't you think steering away from that behaviour would be the best thing to bring this place back round? Having the internet title as a reward system for being the best at making people look and feel like shit is a bad thing, because that's the tactic to demoralise your opponent the words may be IC but the effect your looking for is OOC because thats how you win by beating your opponent into submission and thats coming from someone who held that title twice and beat some great writers to get it both times round Well, no, I disagree. There is a difference between the way you portray yourself IC and the way you portray yourself OOC. OOC speaking wise I have gone out of my way to make all newbies feel welcome here, PMing them and helping them get settled etc. Many of which are still here today. Dag Riddik even sent me an adorable (he's a cutie really) PM thanking me for helping him get settled here etc. I do agree if I or other misbehaved and acted inappropriately OOC, it would be a terrible thing to do and should not be tolerated in any way... but IC is not OOC. I mean, you just can't take those things seriously. If you did you'd forever be taking things seriously and getting all hurt about them. Some people could find Dag (sorry for using you as an example Dag) offensive for the things he says. For example, can you imagine if we had a japense guy sign up here? You can't take IC behavior (when it is clearly IC and on the IC boards) to heart. You'll never get anywhere if you do that. |
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Post by Thomas Uriel Bates on May 12, 2016 12:36:57 GMT -5
After reviewing the comments from Micky Saint and Lilith regarding the Internet Championship, and having been in the WCF with some great Internet Champions, I’ve come to a conclusion. The Internet Championship, while intended for strictly In Character, does indeed lend itself to a blurring of the lines between In Character and Out of Character. Does that mean we should abolish the Internet Championship in the hopes of ridding ourselves of a situation much like we have just come out of, or should we keep it in the hopes that others will rise above such possibilities and keep it In Character?
On one hand, just the mention of the Internet Championship has sparked a passionate debate between two current members of our roster, and while it is being kept civil for now in my opinion, one can never know when the spark hits the powder keg. If we are to allow the Internet Championship under the current rule, we will without question risk another incident in which the lines are blurred and genuine hostilities are renewed.
Yet these are the same issues in which we deal with when we write roleplays. Though we have conditioned ourselves to know the difference between the two realities, we still risk someone taking an In Character mention as Out of Character. This is in essence the same risk we take with the Internet Championship. We monitor the Roleplay Board, as I am certain we monitor the Internet Championship threads, but the Internet Championship lacks the conditioning that we have all applied for the Roleplay Board. We are left with the same question that we had at the start of efeds to begin with; how do we keep Out of Character out of In Character forums?
The answer is oversight and self-restraint. Should we reinstitute the Internet Championship, a dedicated moderator should be charged with the duty of overseeing the thread, and given permission not just to lock a thread, but to delete posts, and if necessary suspend a member that has violated the rules on a repetitive basis. Other members should also report any breakdown between the two forums to the assigned moderator in the attempts to assist them.
This will not rid us of the problem, but it should offer us a chance to condition ourselves for the Internet Boards. It will not be easy, and perhaps we should wait until we are stable before reintroducing the Internet Championship, but it is something we should eventually include. I am certain we will be able to handle it, if we resolve to do so with civility.
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Post by Lilith on May 12, 2016 12:45:18 GMT -5
After reviewing the comments from Micky Saint and Lilith regarding the Internet Championship, and having been in the WCF with some great Internet Champions, I’ve come to a conclusion. The Internet Championship, while intended for strictly In Character, does indeed lend itself to a blurring of the lines between In Character and Out of Character. Does that mean we should abolish the Internet Championship in the hopes of ridding ourselves of a situation much like we have just come out of, or should we keep it in the hopes that others will rise above such possibilities and keep it In Character? On one hand, just the mention of the Internet Championship has sparked a passionate debate between two current members of our roster, and while it is being kept civil for now in my opinion, one can never know when the spark hits the powder keg. If we are to allow the Internet Championship under the current rule, we will without question risk another incident in which the lines are blurred and genuine hostilities are renewed. Yet these are the same issues in which we deal with when we write roleplays. Though we have conditioned ourselves to know the difference between the two realities, we still risk someone taking an In Character mention as Out of Character. This is in essence the same risk we take with the Internet Championship. We monitor the Roleplay Board, as I am certain we monitor the Internet Championship threads, but the Internet Championship lacks the conditioning that we have all applied for the Roleplay Board. We are left with the same question that we had at the start of efeds to begin with; how do we keep Out of Character out of In Character forums? The answer is oversight and self-restraint. Should we reinstitute the Internet Championship, a dedicated moderator should be charged with the duty of overseeing the thread, and given permission not just to lock a thread, but to delete posts, and if necessary suspend a member that has violated the rules on a repetitive basis. Other members should also report any breakdown between the two forums to the assigned moderator in the attempts to assist them. This will not rid us of the problem, but it should offer us a chance to condition ourselves for the Internet Boards. It will not be easy, and perhaps we should wait until we are stable before reintroducing the Internet Championship, but it is something we should eventually include. I am certain we will be able to handle it, if we resolve to do so with civility. God damn you're good with words, Mr Bates. I agree with you, Sir... and hope you applied to become a mod? |
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Post by Tiffany White on May 12, 2016 13:06:51 GMT -5
I actually second Rod's request and say T.U.B would make an excellent mod if he ever decides to ask Seth.
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