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Post by Jay Omega on May 8, 2016 20:06:40 GMT -5
The long and short of it is that unfortunately we have a TON of people that are probably equally as good, and it could seem that when everyone is main event worthy, that none of them are main event worthy - it would depend on perception.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 20:08:28 GMT -5
The thing between Rod and I was a casual day in one of our daily conversations. We talk and say and do bizarre shit to one another but that's how our friendship works. This is a communication breakdown at its finest. I might be flipping tables here, but why the fuck is Rod coming to other people supremely pissed about this stuff if that's just your friendship? Why the hell is this even a conversation if everything is a-ok? Are people making shit up to make you and Rod look bad? I'm genuinely confused and really - really tired of it. Allow me to answer this question, when Logan first did this, he sent my girlfriend the pic. Who seemingly knew that it was only Logan being "typical Logan" and found it humorous. I on the other hand did not find it very funny and actually got quite annoyed at Logan AND even my girlfriend for finding it funny. Needless to say I was finally talked down and obviously I am no longer angered by it. Logan and I spoke about it on whatsapp a good couple of weeks ago and he explained that he was only messing and that he didnt intend to upset me etc. I am a strong believer in forgiveness, so I forgave him. My girlfriend is still friends wth Logan and never did fall out with him.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 20:08:43 GMT -5
You're right. If our disagreements are going to be on "should someone stay or should they go" and I believe they should stay or get another chance... Okay! Everything is out in the open, I'm going to listen to you guys and consider what you say and go with what I decide. If it wasn't for the admins, maybe Sarah Twilight and Katherine Phoenix would be here as regular members and NOT under the "one strike and you're out" thing, which they are. So it isn't like you had no input - I just didn't go 100% in the direction you would have. But the mods influenced things overall. While things are out in the open, I also remember the disagreement about having Oblivion being stripped of admin powers. I decided I'd keep an eye on things - and spoke to Oblivion and told him things he posted weren't appropriate. I let him "get away" with it without any bans or anything.. was that favoritism?, or was I just showing him the same attitude I show everyone? Was I dismissing the mods concerns by not stripping him of his mod powers?, or was I taking their thoughts under advisement and watching the situation? These things aren't black and white. Oblivion isn't here to troll either though. That's kind of what I'm trying to get at. The mod team, well most of us, are here day in and day out, mingling and keeping an eye on stuff. We know the beat. We hear what's going on. The mod team here was me, Price, GD, Odin and Gable. Everybody else with mod powers either aren't around enough, busy with other things or not even here anymore, really. That has been effectively cut down to me and Odin. Everybody else, clearly, thinks there's an issue and they're out or on their way out in one way or another. I've always been perfectly fine with you making the decisions. I don't agree with a lot of them, but you've been the guy to decide shit for over half my life now so I'm used to it. These other guys, they didn't grow up with WCF. They're not going to just take it for the sake of it. The one other dude we had on the mod team like me has told this place to shove it. You have to see the writing on the wall man. You've got to let the grip loose somewhere. Gravedigger left immediately following the Oblivion situation. Besides Twilight, Phoenix, and Logan - what else have we disagreed that heavily about? The insinuation is that they're only here to cause trouble, and not to enjoy themselves. Yes, I disagree. Obviously Twilight and KP have had their problems but ... Seriously, besides those previously mentioned, what have we disagreed about? There've been what I'd consider minor issues - people being grumpy about word counts, certain language used, etc., but I've felt like that stuff was handled mostly to everyone's satisfaction - and I don't really remember disagreeing too much besides not being willing to do a word count cap. Which I'D be the one having to run everyone's roleplays through a word counter every week, not anyone else, and it doesn't really go with my philosophy of running the place, so I wouldn't really see that as being a fair thing to blame me for not agreeing with you on. What else has there been?
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 20:10:19 GMT -5
This is a communication breakdown at its finest. I might be flipping tables here, but why the fuck is Rod coming to other people supremely pissed about this stuff if that's just your friendship? Why the hell is this even a conversation if everything is a-ok? Are people making shit up to make you and Rod look bad? I'm genuinely confused and really - really tired of it. Allow me to answer this question, when Logan first did this, he sent my girlfriend the pic. Who seemingly knew that it was only Logan being "typical Logan" and found it humorous. I on the other hand did not find it very funny and actually got quite annoyed at Logan AND even my girlfriend for finding it funny. Needless to say I was finally talked down and obviously I am no longer angered by it. Logan and I spoke about it on whatsapp a good couple of weeks ago and he explained that he was only messing and that he didnt intend to upset me etc. I am a strong believer in forgiveness, so I forgave him. My girlfriend is still friends wth Logan and never did fall out with him. There was a complaint two days ago. Where did it come from?
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 20:13:10 GMT -5
The thing between Rod and I was a casual day in one of our daily conversations. We talk and say and do bizarre shit to one another but that's how our friendship works. This is a communication breakdown at its finest. I might be flipping tables here, but why the fuck is Rod coming to other people supremely pissed about this stuff if that's just your friendship? Why the hell is this even a conversation if everything is a-ok? Are people making shit up to make you and Rod look bad? I'm genuinely confused and really - really tired of it. Against my better judgment: The two main people I've seen still complaining about this are Price and Torture, who obviously don't like Logan OOC. I think it's been used as something to drive their complaints against him on their own personal level, not really with any regards for giving a shit about KP or his girlfriend. That's fairly transparent. The idea of Price or Torture raciing to KP's aid is laughable. And KP's response her echoes my attitude at the time: it was a personal issue between friends and that is why I didn't want it to be a WCF issue. That is why I acted/decided how I did, not out of favoritism. As evidenced by the fact when Logan did it to someone who wasn't in the same boat, he was banned and all.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 20:13:19 GMT -5
Allow me to answer this question, when Logan first did this, he sent my girlfriend the pic. Who seemingly knew that it was only Logan being "typical Logan" and found it humorous. I on the other hand did not find it very funny and actually got quite annoyed at Logan AND even my girlfriend for finding it funny. Needless to say I was finally talked down and obviously I am no longer angered by it. Logan and I spoke about it on whatsapp a good couple of weeks ago and he explained that he was only messing and that he didnt intend to upset me etc. I am a strong believer in forgiveness, so I forgave him. My girlfriend is still friends wth Logan and never did fall out with him. There was a complaint two days ago. Where did it come from? No idea. Not from me. I never even went to any of the mods about it. Well, I spoke to Oblivion about it during the time when I was flipping out about it. But I never approached you or Seth about it.
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Post by Ana Valentine on May 8, 2016 20:14:05 GMT -5
I WAS banned for the Carly dick picture situation. I don't know how many times I have explained it over the last day but no one seems to listen. Carly and I had been talking for months. Our chat one night got super flirty and intimate and then she ASKED for a picture of my dick. At the time Waylon and Carly were lobbying in chats to get me banned because of DoT ruining a main event I believe? I.don't know exactly why, but they were. Not very long after the dick pic Waylon Cash started harassing me on FB and then once Jayson Price, YES PRICE, YOU, messaged me on FB with a no-no speech, I was BANNED that very night or that next morning. I realized it was some sketchy shit from Carly and the gang so I blocked her and Waylon. End of story. I think my ban was lifted after a week. I really can't remember how long. But I was in fact banned. The thing between Rod and I was a casual day in one of our daily conversations. We talk and say and do bizarre shit to one another but that's how our friendship works. BTW. I posted a thread about this last night being polite and respectful as possible that already explained the dick pics, Torture, and everything else where I genuinely apologized to Torture and offered a resolve through PM's. That thread was deleted by a mod. Why? No one has yet to tell me. Ok I don't give the slightest fuck what any of this is about, I am in my phone so typos abound also don't ducking care bout that. You are fucking vile disgusting lying piece of trash, I wouldn't wish you on my worst enemy, you are scum. A disgusting waste of oxygen your mother should have swallowed. I did NOT ask to see you pathetic dick. You were having a hard time you were off your meds bd drinking you were ducked up with depression and anxiety you were a waste of Air and I, in my fucking naivety tried to help you - I spent many many many hours talking to you about all your issues We were talking about nothing sexual when you sent me your dick. I tried to laugh it off. I told you I was goi g to ignore it, that I was sure you didn't mean it And what did you do? You beacon of morality? Hmmm what did the self proclaimed victim do?!?!?!? You told me I was ASKING FOR IT - you said bitches like me always do this... You called me a frigid bitch and said you just knew I wanted your cock.... You were so disgusting that after you made me fucking cry I went to people for help, because you tried to make a victim out of me... Seth excused you to me he told me you were off Your meds, you were drunk... I let it go, a Long LONG time later you apologised to me... And I Said ok I accepted you were in a bad place... I gave you forgiveness you ha e never deserved And now you say all of this?! You are not even human to me, you are vile scum beneath the dog shit of this works and I am SORRY I ever took even a second to speak to you. Fucking drop fed you lying sloppy dick hole.
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 20:14:20 GMT -5
You're TIRED of it? This was a MONTH ago. What was it only brought up now? Because it was convenient to throw that in along with the other OOC attacks directed towards me over the last day?
I'm at the point where I don't even really know if you guys have a legitimate point to flame the boards about. I haven't heard anything other than people being unhappy about outcomes of matches or Torture getting banned for CUSSING people out on the OOC boards and then somehow this gets reflected back to me with dick pics?
I honestly do not understand why this argument keeps repeating itself over and over. Nothing in WCF has changed OOC. Why all the sudden drama? What do you guys want at the end of the day?
ALSO. Still no explanation as to why my PSA was deleted.
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 8, 2016 20:15:16 GMT -5
This is a communication breakdown at its finest. I might be flipping tables here, but why the fuck is Rod coming to other people supremely pissed about this stuff if that's just your friendship? Why the hell is this even a conversation if everything is a-ok? Are people making shit up to make you and Rod look bad? I'm genuinely confused and really - really tired of it. Against my better judgment: The two main people I've seen still complaining about this are Price and Torture, who obviously don't like Logan OOC. I think it's been used as something to drive their complaints against him on their own personal level, not really with any regards for giving a shit about KP or his girlfriend. That's fairly transparent. The idea of Price or Torture raciing to KP's aid is laughable. And KP's response her echoes my attitude at the time: it was a personal issue between friends and that is why I didn't want it to be a WCF issue. That is why I acted/decided how I did, not out of favoritism. As evidenced by the fact when Logan did it to someone who wasn't in the same boat, he was banned and all. Seth acted appropriately in that situation. Thanks Seth.
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 20:16:46 GMT -5
Oblivion isn't here to troll either though. That's kind of what I'm trying to get at. The mod team, well most of us, are here day in and day out, mingling and keeping an eye on stuff. We know the beat. We hear what's going on. The mod team here was me, Price, GD, Odin and Gable. Everybody else with mod powers either aren't around enough, busy with other things or not even here anymore, really. That has been effectively cut down to me and Odin. Everybody else, clearly, thinks there's an issue and they're out or on their way out in one way or another. I've always been perfectly fine with you making the decisions. I don't agree with a lot of them, but you've been the guy to decide shit for over half my life now so I'm used to it. These other guys, they didn't grow up with WCF. They're not going to just take it for the sake of it. The one other dude we had on the mod team like me has told this place to shove it. You have to see the writing on the wall man. You've got to let the grip loose somewhere. Gravedigger left immediately following the Oblivion situation. Besides Twilight, Phoenix, and Logan - what else have we disagreed that heavily about? The insinuation is that they're only here to cause trouble, and not to enjoy themselves. Yes, I disagree. Obviously Twilight and KP have had their problems but ... Seriously, besides those previously mentioned, what have we disagreed about? There've been what I'd consider minor issues - people being grumpy about word counts, certain language used, etc., but I've felt like that stuff was handled mostly to everyone's satisfaction - and I don't really remember disagreeing too much besides not being willing to do a word count cap. Which I'D be the one having to run everyone's roleplays through a word counter every week, not anyone else, and it doesn't really go with my philosophy of running the place, so I wouldn't really see that as being a fair thing to blame me for not agreeing with you on. What else has there been? I can't speak for anyone but I'm going to say Oblivion had little to nothing to do with GD leaving. That was basically a non-issue that was easily resolved with you saying something to Obi. I remember taking a long time to ban raYne. We have disagreed about Dale a lot, and the Facebook stuff. You banned Cairo over it once without even bringing it up, I think. We banned Dale over it. But messages are safe because they're not public ... until they become public, then what? Not that it matters much but the boards count words now, that would be easy to monitor - but the fed as a whole fixed that one for the most part. I guarantee there's more but we've gone through so much nonsense it's hard to pick out specific details. That and I just don't care all that much. I can be told no, I'll argue, and then I'll be told no again - I move on to the next problem. It's everybody else that cares and that's where we need to be looking. GD and Gable don't just go away for nothing.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 20:17:54 GMT -5
I WAS banned for the Carly dick picture situation. I don't know how many times I have explained it over the last day but no one seems to listen. Carly and I had been talking for months. Our chat one night got super flirty and intimate and then she ASKED for a picture of my dick. At the time Waylon and Carly were lobbying in chats to get me banned because of DoT ruining a main event I believe? I.don't know exactly why, but they were. Not very long after the dick pic Waylon Cash started harassing me on FB and then once Jayson Price, YES PRICE, YOU, messaged me on FB with a no-no speech, I was BANNED that very night or that next morning. I realized it was some sketchy shit from Carly and the gang so I blocked her and Waylon. End of story. I think my ban was lifted after a week. I really can't remember how long. But I was in fact banned. The thing between Rod and I was a casual day in one of our daily conversations. We talk and say and do bizarre shit to one another but that's how our friendship works. BTW. I posted a thread about this last night being polite and respectful as possible that already explained the dick pics, Torture, and everything else where I genuinely apologized to Torture and offered a resolve through PM's. That thread was deleted by a mod. Why? No one has yet to tell me. Ok I don't give the slightest fuck what any of this is about, I am in my phone so typos abound also don't ducking care bout that. You are fucking vile disgusting lying piece of trash, I wouldn't wish you on my worst enemy, you are scum. A disgusting waste of oxygen your mother should have swallowed. I did NOT ask to see you pathetic dick. You were having a hard time you were off your meds bd drinking you were ducked up with depression and anxiety you were a waste of Air and I, in my fucking naivety tried to help you - I spent many many many hours talking to you about all your issues We were talking about nothing sexual when you sent me your dick. I tried to laugh it off. I told you I was goi g to ignore it, that I was sure you didn't mean it And what did you do? You beacon of morality? Hmmm what did the self proclaimed victim do?!?!?!? You told me I was ASKING FOR IT - you said bitches like me always do this... You called me a frigid bitch and said you just knew I wanted your cock.... You were so disgusting that after you made me fucking cry I went to people for help, because you tried to make a victim out of me... Seth excused you to me he told me you were off Your meds, you were drunk... I let it go, a Long LONG time later you apologised to me... And I Said ok I accepted you were in a bad place... I gave you forgiveness you ha e never deserved And now you say all of this?! You are not even human to me, you are vile scum beneath the dog shit of this works and I am SORRY I ever took even a second to speak to you. Fucking drop fed you lying sloppy dick hole. This was years ago - - I don't remember excusing Logan by saying he was drunk or off his meds - I mean, I'm sure he was drunk, I don't remember the meds part - but I want to make it clear I don't think that makes it okay to send people unwanted dick pics! For the record! If I said anything differently in the past I was wrong for doing so.
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 20:20:15 GMT -5
I WAS banned for the Carly dick picture situation. I don't know how many times I have explained it over the last day but no one seems to listen. Carly and I had been talking for months. Our chat one night got super flirty and intimate and then she ASKED for a picture of my dick. At the time Waylon and Carly were lobbying in chats to get me banned because of DoT ruining a main event I believe? I.don't know exactly why, but they were. Not very long after the dick pic Waylon Cash started harassing me on FB and then once Jayson Price, YES PRICE, YOU, messaged me on FB with a no-no speech, I was BANNED that very night or that next morning. I realized it was some sketchy shit from Carly and the gang so I blocked her and Waylon. End of story. I think my ban was lifted after a week. I really can't remember how long. But I was in fact banned. The thing between Rod and I was a casual day in one of our daily conversations. We talk and say and do bizarre shit to one another but that's how our friendship works. BTW. I posted a thread about this last night being polite and respectful as possible that already explained the dick pics, Torture, and everything else where I genuinely apologized to Torture and offered a resolve through PM's. That thread was deleted by a mod. Why? No one has yet to tell me. Ok I don't give the slightest fuck what any of this is about, I am in my phone so typos abound also don't ducking care bout that. You are fucking vile disgusting lying piece of trash, I wouldn't wish you on my worst enemy, you are scum. A disgusting waste of oxygen your mother should have swallowed. I did NOT ask to see you pathetic dick. You were having a hard time you were off your meds bd drinking you were ducked up with depression and anxiety you were a waste of Air and I, in my fucking naivety tried to help you - I spent many many many hours talking to you about all your issues We were talking about nothing sexual when you sent me your dick. I tried to laugh it off. I told you I was goi g to ignore it, that I was sure you didn't mean it And what did you do? You beacon of morality? Hmmm what did the self proclaimed victim do?!?!?!? You told me I was ASKING FOR IT - you said bitches like me always do this... You called me a frigid bitch and said you just knew I wanted your cock.... You were so disgusting that after you made me fucking cry I went to people for help, because you tried to make a victim out of me... Seth excused you to me he told me you were off Your meds, you were drunk... I let it go, a Long LONG time later you apologised to me... And I Said ok I accepted you were in a bad place... I gave you forgiveness you ha e never deserved And now you say all of this?! You are not even human to me, you are vile scum beneath the dog shit of this works and I am SORRY I ever took even a second to speak to you. Fucking drop fed you lying sloppy dick hole. Ditto. I'm assuming Jayson Price or Gravedigger asked you to post this? Nice work, guys. As if there wasn't enough drama.
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 20:20:42 GMT -5
You're TIRED of it? This was a MONTH ago. What was it only brought up now? Because it was convenient to throw that in along with the other OOC attacks directed towards me over the last day? I'm at the point where I don't even really know if you guys have a legitimate point to flame the boards about. I haven't heard anything other than people being unhappy about outcomes of matches or Torture getting banned for CUSSING people out on the OOC boards and then somehow this gets reflected back to me with dick pics? I honestly do not understand why this argument keeps repeating itself over and over. Nothing in WCF has changed OOC. Why all the sudden drama? What do you guys want at the end of the day? ALSO. Still no explanation as to why my PSA was deleted. We literally heard about it again two days ago. Before that, the mod thread was on fire. You'll have to ask Gable why he deleted your shit. But you're gonna have to wait until October.
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Post by Ana Valentine on May 8, 2016 20:20:48 GMT -5
Ok I don't give the slightest fuck what any of this is about, I am in my phone so typos abound also don't ducking care bout that. You are fucking vile disgusting lying piece of trash, I wouldn't wish you on my worst enemy, you are scum. A disgusting waste of oxygen your mother should have swallowed. I did NOT ask to see you pathetic dick. You were having a hard time you were off your meds bd drinking you were ducked up with depression and anxiety you were a waste of Air and I, in my fucking naivety tried to help you - I spent many many many hours talking to you about all your issues We were talking about nothing sexual when you sent me your dick. I tried to laugh it off. I told you I was goi g to ignore it, that I was sure you didn't mean it And what did you do? You beacon of morality? Hmmm what did the self proclaimed victim do?!?!?!? You told me I was ASKING FOR IT - you said bitches like me always do this... You called me a frigid bitch and said you just knew I wanted your cock.... You were so disgusting that after you made me fucking cry I went to people for help, because you tried to make a victim out of me... Seth excused you to me he told me you were off Your meds, you were drunk... I let it go, a Long LONG time later you apologised to me... And I Said ok I accepted you were in a bad place... I gave you forgiveness you ha e never deserved And now you say all of this?! You are not even human to me, you are vile scum beneath the dog shit of this works and I am SORRY I ever took even a second to speak to you. Fucking drop fed you lying sloppy dick hole. This was years ago - - I don't remember excusing Logan by saying he was drunk or off his meds - I mean, I'm sure he was drunk, I don't remember the meds part - but I want to make it clear I don't think that makes it okay to send people unwanted dick pics! For the record! If I said anything differently in the past I was wrong for doing so. It doesn't matter that you excused it, it was years ago, we have spoken bout it and you are non issue The issue is that vile cunt LYING about the situation - he can go walk off a cliff
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Post by Ana Valentine on May 8, 2016 20:22:36 GMT -5
Ok I don't give the slightest fuck what any of this is about, I am in my phone so typos abound also don't ducking care bout that. You are fucking vile disgusting lying piece of trash, I wouldn't wish you on my worst enemy, you are scum. A disgusting waste of oxygen your mother should have swallowed. I did NOT ask to see you pathetic dick. You were having a hard time you were off your meds bd drinking you were ducked up with depression and anxiety you were a waste of Air and I, in my fucking naivety tried to help you - I spent many many many hours talking to you about all your issues We were talking about nothing sexual when you sent me your dick. I tried to laugh it off. I told you I was goi g to ignore it, that I was sure you didn't mean it And what did you do? You beacon of morality? Hmmm what did the self proclaimed victim do?!?!?!? You told me I was ASKING FOR IT - you said bitches like me always do this... You called me a frigid bitch and said you just knew I wanted your cock.... You were so disgusting that after you made me fucking cry I went to people for help, because you tried to make a victim out of me... Seth excused you to me he told me you were off Your meds, you were drunk... I let it go, a Long LONG time later you apologised to me... And I Said ok I accepted you were in a bad place... I gave you forgiveness you ha e never deserved And now you say all of this?! You are not even human to me, you are vile scum beneath the dog shit of this works and I am SORRY I ever took even a second to speak to you. Fucking drop fed you lying sloppy dick hole. Ditto. I'm assuming Jayson Price or Gravedigger asked you to post this? Nice work, guys. As if there wasn't enough drama. Do not EVER again lie about that - I don't care what's going on here. You know you did it. You know it was wrong. You have even apologised for it more than once So don't be a liar you disgusting disgrace of a life form
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Post by Jayson Price on May 8, 2016 20:24:25 GMT -5
Ok I don't give the slightest fuck what any of this is about, I am in my phone so typos abound also don't ducking care bout that. You are fucking vile disgusting lying piece of trash, I wouldn't wish you on my worst enemy, you are scum. A disgusting waste of oxygen your mother should have swallowed. I did NOT ask to see you pathetic dick. You were having a hard time you were off your meds bd drinking you were ducked up with depression and anxiety you were a waste of Air and I, in my fucking naivety tried to help you - I spent many many many hours talking to you about all your issues We were talking about nothing sexual when you sent me your dick. I tried to laugh it off. I told you I was goi g to ignore it, that I was sure you didn't mean it And what did you do? You beacon of morality? Hmmm what did the self proclaimed victim do?!?!?!? You told me I was ASKING FOR IT - you said bitches like me always do this... You called me a frigid bitch and said you just knew I wanted your cock.... You were so disgusting that after you made me fucking cry I went to people for help, because you tried to make a victim out of me... Seth excused you to me he told me you were off Your meds, you were drunk... I let it go, a Long LONG time later you apologised to me... And I Said ok I accepted you were in a bad place... I gave you forgiveness you ha e never deserved And now you say all of this?! You are not even human to me, you are vile scum beneath the dog shit of this works and I am SORRY I ever took even a second to speak to you. Fucking drop fed you lying sloppy dick hole. Ditto. I'm assuming Jayson Price or Gravedigger asked you to post this? Nice work, guys. As if there wasn't enough drama. It was me, I won't deny it. I went to her and asked about that night, was reminded about all the screenshots I got about the conversation you two had (which I still have thanks to Facebook autosaving photos shared) and then well she wanted to say her piece.
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Post by "The Black Dragon" Alex Jones on May 8, 2016 20:24:34 GMT -5
You know I wasnt going to care about this cause it was wcf business and most of the time I lurk and talk to people I enjoy talking to like digger and Seth on fb. But when a situation I know about gets talked about and if it is something I'm invested in like you know....my wife's happiness I feel the need to say something. It seems so funny that this repeated behavior has been overlooked and shuffled away time and time again and when it does come up and bite someone in the ass you're all surprised? Logan is a mentally and emotionally damaged sexual predator who has sent his unimpressive manhood to multiple people to get a rise out of them and when a respected member of the community like torture says it and gets banned for nothing all hell breaks loose. Now I like wcf and some of the current and former members but I never returned to role play or be an active member because of situations like this and people like Logan and as jay said over half the fed is thinking about shit so maybe there should be a little less protection on Logan and a little more treating him like the dick he is
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 20:24:44 GMT -5
Ditto. I'm assuming Jayson Price or Gravedigger asked you to post this? Nice work, guys. As if there wasn't enough drama. Victim again huh? Maybe if you hadn't done it in the first place and then lied about it years later (we have screens of you lying by the way) then maybe this wouldn't have happened. Do you seriously have this much trouble with the concept of being self-aware?
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 20:26:56 GMT -5
Gravedigger left immediately following the Oblivion situation. Besides Twilight, Phoenix, and Logan - what else have we disagreed that heavily about? The insinuation is that they're only here to cause trouble, and not to enjoy themselves. Yes, I disagree. Obviously Twilight and KP have had their problems but ... Seriously, besides those previously mentioned, what have we disagreed about? There've been what I'd consider minor issues - people being grumpy about word counts, certain language used, etc., but I've felt like that stuff was handled mostly to everyone's satisfaction - and I don't really remember disagreeing too much besides not being willing to do a word count cap. Which I'D be the one having to run everyone's roleplays through a word counter every week, not anyone else, and it doesn't really go with my philosophy of running the place, so I wouldn't really see that as being a fair thing to blame me for not agreeing with you on. What else has there been? I can't speak for anyone but I'm going to say Oblivion had little to nothing to do with GD leaving. That was basically a non-issue that was easily resolved with you saying something to Obi. I remember taking a long time to ban raYne. We have disagreed about Dale a lot, and the Facebook stuff. You banned Cairo over it once without even bringing it up, I think. We banned Dale over it. But messages are safe because they're not public ... until they become public, then what? Not that it matters much but the boards count words now, that would be easy to monitor - but the fed as a whole fixed that one for the most part. I guarantee there's more but we've gone through so much nonsense it's hard to pick out specific details. That and I just don't care all that much. I can be told no, I'll argue, and then I'll be told no again - I move on to the next problem. It's everybody else that cares and that's where we need to be looking. GD and Gable don't just go away for nothing. Unfortunately, to me, it comes down to the fact that the mod team decided they weren't satisfied being a part of WCF because they didn't agree with the way I want to run things. That's fine. It doesn't need to be a big, personal issue - it doesn't seem like communication issues, even, at this point, it just seems like a large amount of differing opinions that result in not being able to work together as leadership here. With Gravedigger, someone who argued several times against people circumventing bans, assisting Tort in circumventing a ban, it's clear things were worse than I realized!, which is unfortunate. I'll go on the record as saying that this is a fucking efed where we write stupid wrestling stories and I, and practically everyone else, have blown everything up way too much thus far. There are probably legitimate issues that haven't even been brought up yet, because this has mostly been mods fighting, while my understanding was that half of the fed is unhappy with things and ready to leave. I did ask anyone writing matches not to comment until after that, of course, but if half the roster's complaint is that I don't listen to the mods then I don't know what to say there!
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 20:27:13 GMT -5
I apologized for our FALL OUT. Because I was considered you a friend. Not for getting drunk and sending you a dick picture that you REQUESTED.
My God. This is out of control. I have never in my life been talked to so poorly. If WCF was a gaint flame war arguing fed right now... unbelievable.
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