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Post by Wade Moor on Jan 18, 2016 14:37:37 GMT -5
So, I've noticed a rising trend in the kind of "death match" style matches going on where (wrestler a) has a bone to pick with (wrestler b). (Wrestler b) doesn't like that so he gets some retaliation on (wrestler a). Well, (wrestler a) doesn't take too kindly to that shit so he mocks a dead member - or actually kills a member - of (wrestler b's) family. This is all fine and good, but when does it become "too much?" Not so much that we're offended by it, but the story itself will end up a little played? (BTW this is not a bash on anyone. I love you all  ) I don't think there's enough just downright fun storylines going on at the moment. Think about an ICE Beckmen. That guy got over on comic strips, haha. Bobby Cairo spent half his promos smashing Rihanna and shooting on his opponents at the same time. It's small things like this that truly deversify WCF and make us a place people want to join. Thoughts? |
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Post by lost on Jan 18, 2016 14:42:54 GMT -5
Not sure how to vote or where I fall in this category. I think it all depends on the character which would explain thenshift. I.e. we got no faces. I think gimmick guys are fun but we also need some meat and potatoes. I guess there is a fine line. Unless I'm missing the entire thing altogether.
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Post by "Mister Average" Lee Roberts on Jan 18, 2016 14:49:18 GMT -5
I voted both but more emphasis on serious. Silly is good, but not too much, ya know?
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Post by Wade Moor on Jan 18, 2016 14:52:45 GMT -5
Well, it doesn't necessarily have to be a "gimmick" character. ICE Beckman is a great example. He was just doing downright silly shit from bottom to top in his promos, and he was still World Champion. He took part in matches like the ladder match to decide who got the rights to "Whoop Ass" Beer, stuff like that.
I just think people have this taboo on their character where if they take part in something ridiculous like that, it would kill their character.
But look at WWE. The Rock was in the "This Is Your Life" segment, and that shit was watched by so many people. It didn't damage his character, if anything it actually helped The Rock get over that much more.
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Post by lost on Jan 18, 2016 14:56:36 GMT -5
Gotcha. Yeah I think I think if you got the chops to pull it off then do it. I am not sure if a lot of us have those skills here so we go for shock value. I find myself now trying less shock value. Although I do like writing me some violence but I do try to add soft hearted comedy in my bits some where.
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Post by Wade Moor on Jan 18, 2016 15:08:43 GMT -5
And let me rephrase a little bit, there are a bunch of GREAT serious stories going on too, and they're fun in their own way. I realized it sounded incredibly insensitive to make it seem like I was bashing people who are doing the serious storylines (I'm in one myself haha)
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Post by lost on Jan 18, 2016 15:11:55 GMT -5
I didn't think you were people bashing. I think what I was saying is to add silly in to a storyline you need serious chops. My opinion. I.e. Logan and his hotdogs.
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Post by Teo Blaze on Jan 18, 2016 15:29:54 GMT -5
To me the best thing about wrestling is that they can do silly things seriously.
My favorite wrestling storylines by far are the ones that are completely ridiculous, but the people involved treat it like it's a struggle between life and death. Only in pro-wrestling can you build a deep personal rivalry over a shampoo commercial.
BUUuuuUuuuut.... People tend to copy what's successful, and to call a spade a spade, the serious folks are the ones higher up the card. Chicken/Egg there, but the most success is coming in general to those who involve themselves in these serious plots.
So... It's a big risk right now to make that silly character because you'll be one of the only ones doing it, even those I can see who want to do silly things are kind of subdued right now. Standing out is good, but if it ain't broke..?
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 18, 2016 16:25:07 GMT -5
Depends on the character. Some characters/writers can pull of silly, some can't. Some characters can't pull off serious, in the same way.
I've done a lot of silly with Orbit and I'd like to think I've pulled it off. Then again I've also done just as much super serious stuff, like my feud with Waylon Cash, my feuds with Fly... a lot of stuff. I think there is just a time and a place for each, but I have a sense of humor and I like to incorporate it into my writing and into my character. I sort of can't help it, actually. Even when I shoot I try to incorporate humor and I think it's just become part of Orbit's gimmick. I think if people don't get my sense of humor they probably won't get my stuff at all, which is maybe a pitfall but you can't please everybody. I don't really get into the super serious stuff as much as other people do, but a good, well written story is just that, whether it's silly or super serial.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 18, 2016 20:27:13 GMT -5
I will say, you #beachkrew guys have an incredibly creative platform to tell ridiculous, silly, awesome stories. I love dark humor and you guys are right there. You just need some faces who are willing to not take themselves too seriously, and some magically hilarious shit could definitely happen.
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Post by Seth on Jan 19, 2016 0:19:00 GMT -5
You just need some faces who are willing to not take themselves too seriously POSTED BY STEVE ORBIT |
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Post by Joey Flash on Jan 19, 2016 5:39:21 GMT -5
There is no reason you can't do a good mix of both. However, to be TRULY 'serious' it's so unbelievably hard and draining.
I didn't plan to 'Flash' back anywhere near as soon, but the matches with Joseph Malignaggi were so emotionally draining and hard to write for the simple fact that I wasn't enjoying the writing anymore, if you're fighting for the characters emotional sanity and then fucking lose it absolutely crushes you.
Michael can attest the same with Howard, it's just SO much harder. It took me two months with Malignaggi to realise why he dropped Howard in favour of the far less limiting and more freeflowing potential of Jared.
From experience, a leaning toward serious is better...let me quality serious as 'a good fleshed out character, backstory and world', the reason I disliked the Beckman character wasn't the fact he was long winded or was overly 'silly', it was because he had absolutely no depth whatsoever.
You just have to establish the character and things first, but it's tough if your character gets caught in a 'serious' cycle because it's SO hard to break. Like Dune is a hilarious guy but hasn't EVER had a chance to show it in roleplays because of the gravity of the storylines he's in.
Treat Flash vs Dune as an EXTREME outlier when considering feuds in future, if you want a really emotional, brutal storyline it's really worth it but I wouldn't recommend it for everyone because it really does stunt the things you can do with the character if you're trying to keep things realistic.
I'm just rambling!
Basically, WRITE WHAT'S FUN FOR YOU!!!
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 19, 2016 6:29:16 GMT -5
Flash I can relate. This is why immediately after losing to Fly at One, after we did a storyline where Fly double crossed Orbit, framed him for murder and all kinds of stuff... it was so exhausting, I went right into a storyline with one of Slane's side characters about him stealing Orbits pimp hat which culminated in a pimp hat ladder match lol.
Its really hard to be the face when you DONT overcome at the end. Especially with so much on the line. Outside of this medium it never really happens so its kind of a weird thing to experience.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 19, 2016 6:32:06 GMT -5
I think the point of this thread is not to be silly, but maybe just some more light hearted storylines are OK too and having done both I can say that the less serious ones are a lot more fun.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 19, 2016 6:37:38 GMT -5
You just need some faces who are willing to not take themselves too seriously POSTED BY STEVE ORBIT  |
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Post by God King Dune on Jan 19, 2016 8:02:57 GMT -5
Efedding and humor go hand in hand imo. That said, I've only had like 1/2 a non-serious RP here...but that's just kind of how I write. Most of my previous stuff is similaly darkish. I'm not a super serious person irl but I've found that when I do try to incorporate humor into Dune's world it seems forced. I'm just not good with scripted humor I guess. Like Joey said it can be draining but it fits my character and at the end of the day that's what matters most. Props to people who can go back and forth without making readers scratch their heads though! I like to think Dune being firmly at one end of the spectrum counteracts those on the opposite end. I mean, who wants to read a bunch of dark, brooding promos every week? Likewise, too much humor can make it seem like the WCF has no basis in reality, bc unfortunately 24/7 humor isn't realistic. I get that a lot of serious storylines here aren't realistic per se (demons, aliens, etc) but those aside, you get my point. Also, while there's a place for seriousness here, I agree that retaliatory murder can seem a bit much for a wrestling storyline. In the case of Dune/Flash, there's another force at play who's directly responsible for the tragedies we've both endured. Still, tbh it's been a real challenge for me to try to make it work, and I'd suggest if you're considering having your character kill an opponent's kid while a malevolent entity has absolute 100% control over him/her...don't  |
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Post by God King Dune on Jan 19, 2016 8:04:35 GMT -5
Tell it to me nan yeh fook |
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Post by Stuart Slane on Jan 19, 2016 8:47:35 GMT -5
I think the point of this thread is not to be silly, but maybe just some more light hearted storylines are OK too and having done both I can say that the less serious ones are a lot more fun. I think this is in no small part due to the fact that the stakes aren't so high in the silly stuff, especially if you're supposed to be the good guy. Wrestling Logic says the face almost always wins in the end, so if you're in some blood feud against a guy who's abducted your wife/killed your old tag team partner/brainwashed your son into becoming a follower of his "Church" and you lose the match all that rigmarole was building too, it's crushing. |
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Post by Bonnie Blue on Jan 19, 2016 10:18:13 GMT -5
I voted "In between" because, honestly, it all depends on the characters involved and the way the handlers write. I'm terrible at trying to be funny, but sometimes humorous stuff happens as a matter of course... Then again, my gimmick is utterly ridiculous, to the point where most opponents just tell me (in character) that I'm delusional, then they call me a slut, and that's the entirety of the shoot. Ok, that's a slight exaggeration, but the point is, most people don't seem to know how to work with my idiotic story.
Oh, and to Orbit's point about #beachkrew and there being no faces -- I've been doing my best to antagonize #beachkrew at every possible opportunity.
In general, though, I enjoy serious and silly stories equally; if it's well written and enjoyable to read, that's what's important. Just my two cents...
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Post by Steve Catt on Jan 19, 2016 10:59:17 GMT -5
Personally I would put killing someone's family member in the "silly" category. All the wormholes and time travel here don't ruin my suspension of disbelief as much as a character like Jordan Wolfram, no offense.
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