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Post by Benjamin Atreyu on Jan 1, 2016 17:54:51 GMT -5
did...did you...did you just make a Voltaire reference? No offense, I just didn't expect to see that today... Ummmmmmmmm... maybe lol Misattributed to Voltaire >.> Was actually used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall to sum up Voltaire's beliefs.
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Post by Lilith on Jan 1, 2016 17:56:26 GMT -5
Misattributed to Voltaire >.> Was actually used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall to sum up Voltaire's beliefs. Neverending Story is right!
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jan 1, 2016 17:56:27 GMT -5
Never think that your opinion isn't valued. People may not agree with what you say... but I will fight to the death your right to say it Well, I'll fight to Gable's death to defend it. You see this?! This is the "I'm gonna beat the shit out of you when everyone leaves smile!"...Remember that >_>
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Post by Benjamin Atreyu on Jan 1, 2016 17:59:11 GMT -5
Well, I'll fight to Gable's death to defend it. You see this?! This is the "I'm gonna beat the shit out of you when everyone leaves smile!"...Remember that >_> Bring it.
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jan 1, 2016 17:59:20 GMT -5
Misattributed to Voltaire >.> Was actually used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall to sum up Voltaire's beliefs. Mass understanding principle! Don't look at me like that! And I said reference, not quote! >_>
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Post by Lilith on Jan 1, 2016 18:01:45 GMT -5
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Post by Benjamin Atreyu on Jan 1, 2016 18:02:42 GMT -5
Misattributed to Voltaire >.> Was actually used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall to sum up Voltaire's beliefs. Mass understanding principle! Don't look at me like that! And I said reference, not quote! >_> Mass understanding principle is an excuse for willful ignorance and you know it! I will not let you sully this forum with your nonsense! THIS IS A SCHOLARLY PLACE!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 18:04:34 GMT -5
This became bizarre...
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Post by Lilith on Jan 1, 2016 18:05:09 GMT -5
Welcome to the Dub Sea Eff
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jan 1, 2016 18:05:28 GMT -5
Mass understanding principle! Don't look at me like that! And I said reference, not quote! >_> Mass understanding principle is an excuse for willful ignorance and you know it! I will not let you sully this forum with your nonsense! THIS IS A SCHOLARLY PLACE! You know as well as I do that the point is compartmentalizing! I am not saying the fact changes! I am saying I was not wrong! Semantically...
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Post by DeMarcus Jordan on Jan 1, 2016 18:08:24 GMT -5
I love me some brotherly love.
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Post by Benjamin Atreyu on Jan 1, 2016 18:15:59 GMT -5
Mass understanding principle is an excuse for willful ignorance and you know it! I will not let you sully this forum with your nonsense! THIS IS A SCHOLARLY PLACE! You know as well as I do that the point is compartmentalizing! I am not saying the fact changes! I am saying I was not wrong! Semantically... BOULDERDASH!
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Post by Teo Blaze on Jan 1, 2016 18:28:39 GMT -5
Hoo boy. I am so so torn on this one.
It goes without saying that I am all about second chances. I can forgive and forget just about anything. I don't get offended, I believe everyone has the right to act the way they want to act as long as that person is willing to accept the consequences. Please do not test me on this, there's an invisible "within reason" next to that statement, but moving on.
I'm a lot like Teo, I will offer a handshake to a guy who has knocked my teeth in, and get low blowed for it. (It's a metaphor) I personally will give anyone infinite second chances, make of that what you will.
But, me personally aside, I also don't like the precedent that lifing bans sets. It would send the message that anyone who is funny enough or liked enough is free from obeying the rules, that being well liked is carte Blanche to cause problems or drama. Seth notwithstanding, the general vibe I've always gotten is that nobody is immune when it comes to the rules. If the world champion did something stupid, we will crown another one. It's harsh but I've also rarely seen it have to be enforced.
So.... I dunno. It's not a knock against anyone personally, I promise. I would love to finally meet this grime for real and would probably get along fine. BUT at the same time rules are rules, and I'm not sure we want to crack open the door of letting a few people back in, but not others. That's favoritism, if nothing else, something I've seen this board strive to avoid.
Hope I haven't made things more complicated. I see both sides of the argument.
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Post by Gemini Battle on Jan 1, 2016 18:41:26 GMT -5
Misattributed to Voltaire >.> Was actually used by Evelyn Beatrice Hall to sum up Voltaire's beliefs. Mass understanding principle! Don't look at me like that! And I said reference, not quote! >_> He got it from arrested development. Buster bluth says it regarding his mother in the episode where they build a house. Season 2. Look it up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 23:16:43 GMT -5
I would be more forgiving towards banned people if they would admit to the wrongdoing that caused their ban in the first place. That's not directed towards any current or formerly banned people, but it is a clear trend among that group to be in total denial of what they did wrong.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 2, 2016 12:26:47 GMT -5
I voted to fuck off!
How many times have we been forgiving and let banned people come back? Lots.
How many times have they reoffended, doing the same shit or worse, and got banned again? Alienating decent fed members in the process?
All the times. Every time.
Anyone who has been here for a few years can back me up. We dont hold grudges but people are banned for a reason and we are just inviting the same shit we didnt want right back into the fed. Extending the olive branch isnt going to give people an epiphany and realize their wrongs and they become productive members. They might truly want to come back but as soon as they get comfortable their bad ways will come out. Plus if they lose its because nobody likes them, if they win people get resentful, you have half the fed who will refuse to work with them, that's just in character stuff but it affects everything.
Im all for second chances and seeing the good in people but Ive seen this stuff happen here too many times and it always ALWAYS ends up the same. If somebody really cared about the fed they wouldnt make the same mistakes over and over again that get them banned.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Jan 2, 2016 12:31:48 GMT -5
And dale. And orbit. Unban orbit. YEAH WAIT WHAT
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Post by K. L. Henson on Jan 2, 2016 12:40:34 GMT -5
Here is my logic. If Grime wants to come back, he can no matter what we do. He has done it before and he can do it again. Banning him as we have has only really been symbolism at this point. My thoughts are his biggest problem is he pretends to be different people but if he admits to just being Grime, then this issue ends and we can keep him to one name. The point of banning in theory is to end the issue. And for the most part, it stops issues from problem people who cause drama. But when the problem is itself is when one tries to be other people, then banning means nothing. What the aim should be is to eliminate the issue itself and that might mean getting Grime to just admit he is Grime.
Less than a month ago, I would totally be on Orbit's side but a recent revelation has hit me and made me realize that what needs to be focused on is not to disown people but to figure out the process to end a problem. Problem solving and mediation in a sense. That is just my thought on it.
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Post by occulo on Jan 2, 2016 14:03:20 GMT -5
Who cares?
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Post by Wade Moor on Jan 2, 2016 14:10:27 GMT -5
I would just want him to admit it so I can stop being weary of newcomers. I think that has been the biggest blight that he's left on this community.
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