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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 11:47:12 GMT -5
I'd have to say that I don't always take losing well. I don't get dramatic about it or hate the world, but it's more like when I read it, I'm unhappy about it for a bit. It's not because I just don't want to lose or necessarily for competition reasons, but it's all about the promos for me.
What I mean is when I lose, I've always seen that as fuel for promos. It's automatically something someone can use against me depending on the match, opponent(s) and other circumstances. I've always prided myself on researching my opponents and knowing what they've done, where they've been, etc.
When I cut promos as Gravedigger, anyone who did that same thing to me had a wealth of information to use from WCF because I'd been here on-and-off for over 10 years. Things worked beautifully when I first debuted John Barber and it was evident with many of the people I first got into the ring with because no one knew who he was and they had nothing to research on him and you could see some of them struggle to say much about him. On the other hand though, it's hard to brag about a character who is new as well and has no accomplishments or big moments to brag about.
Also, how are you supposed to cut promos convincing everyone that you're going to win the match if you have a losing streak behind you? You can only say so many times and in so many ways that you're turning things around and this week is the week that you're going to overcome your losing streak and win. Plus being in a losing streak can just give a ton of ammo to opponents because it gives them so much material to dog your character about.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 11:48:17 GMT -5
Just to say, I consider you as one of the most underrated guys here. Caliban, Denise D'evil and Jayden Thunder are others in this bracket. The overall quality here is very high. Some of the RPs/RPers that everyone else goes crazy for don't really connect with me and vice versa. Sometimes it's simply a matter of taste and connection to the character. I'm personally not a huge fan of zany characters; I generally like RPs that touch on some sort of emotion in a clear and not too convoluted manner. Also, due to my faith, I'm not too keen on lots of crudity and swear words. Maybe I'm more of a PG era roleplayer than an Attitude era one It seems that most of us would prefer to have others enjoy the work we are producing than to constantly win but not really appeal to others. I tend to only use crudity or swear words when it makes sense for the character, it just so happens that he's a outlaw biker so sometimes it's more in character or just the way I see him responding to something. I mean he I don't go out and every other word is a swear word at least I try not to. Totally agree. Just to be clear, I wasn't referencing you (or anyone specific) when it comes to crudity. It was just a general statement. You are not often crude. My comment was meant as praise.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 11:49:58 GMT -5
What if you're not in a storyline? Start PMing people. There's a lot of room for new stuff right now. Tag Team division is wide open. And those storylines practically write themselves. I understand what you're saying. What I meant to ask, since you mentioned that being in a storyline softens the blow of losing (paraphrase yes), is that how does not being in one affect dealing with losing? I know in some respects, it can be a harder blow because then that gives off the impression that you're floating.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 11:53:41 GMT -5
Sometimes I care more if I've only had like 10 views on my RP or no likes rather than whether I win or lose. It means more to know that people are reading and enjoying it. Makes the effort worthwhile.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 11:55:31 GMT -5
What if you're not in a storyline? You can do like Orbit suggested and PM people or probably even create a thread asking if anyone wants to start a storyline with you. If you're at least a decent writer, show up every week and have potential, there's always going to be at least a couple of people here, especially with a fed of this size, who would want to work with you. You could also create your own storyline. I did this with my Gravedigger character back in 2009-2010. I had this whole storyline mapped out where my character was masked, pretending to be a new wrestler. He had started out as a face and I wasn't doing as great as I wanted and so I decided to turn him heel. At that point, I basically created a storyline within my storyline. It changed depending on if I won or lost my matches. It made people enjoy my promos and character. I also used to do that back in 2003 during my early years here. I always had this storyline attached to my promos and smack talk for the matches. You never need others to make a storyline work, but it IS better when you're doing something with other people rather than alone.
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Post by Chase Michaels on May 5, 2014 11:56:01 GMT -5
I tend to only use crudity or swear words when it makes sense for the character, it just so happens that he's a outlaw biker so sometimes it's more in character or just the way I see him responding to something. I mean he I don't go out and every other word is a swear word at least I try not to. Totally agree. Just to be clear, I wasn't referencing you (or anyone specific) when it comes to crudity. It was just a general statement. You are not often crude. My comment was meant as praise. I appreciate the praise dude and yeah I was just thinking out loud as I was trying to remember if he does swear alot, normally I get caught up in my rps that I rarely remember exactly what is said during the promo/match related parts of the rp.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 11:58:11 GMT -5
Start PMing people. There's a lot of room for new stuff right now. Tag Team division is wide open. And those storylines practically write themselves. I understand what you're saying. What I meant to ask, since you mentioned that being in a storyline softens the blow of losing (paraphrase yes), is that how does not being in one affect dealing with losing? I know in some respects, it can be a harder blow because then that gives off the impression that you're floating. Oops, I had the same impression from your question as well. I would say that someone not in a storyline gives off the impression that they're floating anyway. There's nothing wrong with not being in a storyline though and no one needs to be in one every minute, but I don't see how someone not in a storyline would not appear to be floating win or lose. We've had some guys who have spent almost all of their time here who are not involved in storylines and those guys never make it big here.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 11:59:09 GMT -5
I'd have to say that I don't always take losing well. I don't get dramatic about it or hate the world, but it's more like when I read it, I'm unhappy about it for a bit. It's not because I just don't want to lose or necessarily for competition reasons, but it's all about the promos for me. What I mean is when I lose, I've always seen that as fuel for promos. It's automatically something someone can use against me depending on the match, opponent(s) and other circumstances. I've always prided myself on researching my opponents and knowing what they've done, where they've been, etc. When I cut promos as Gravedigger, anyone who did that same thing to me had a wealth of information to use from WCF because I'd been here on-and-off for over 10 years. Things worked beautifully when I first debuted John Barber and it was evident with many of the people I first got into the ring with because no one knew who he was and they had nothing to research on him and you could see some of them struggle to say much about him. On the other hand though, it's hard to brag about a character who is new as well and has no accomplishments or big moments to brag about. Also, how are you supposed to cut promos convincing everyone that you're going to win the match if you have a losing streak behind you? You can only say so many times and in so many ways that you're turning things around and this week is the week that you're going to overcome your losing streak and win. Plus being in a losing streak can just give a ton of ammo to opponents because it gives them so much material to dog your character about. ^^^^This lol. That has been my problem with lack of motivation on my Thunder character haha. As the weeks go on and the losses pile up, it got harder and harder to do the shoot in my promos cause of the fact that he's been on a losing streak. But oh well losses come with the game, I don't care much about the w/l/d record compared to when I first came in. There is alot of tough competition here and I'd have to say going against y'all has pushed me to my limit to where I try to think of more creative things to do etc. And that's awesome, I'd rather lose and get better than win all the time and not, if that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 12:03:05 GMT -5
I understand what you're saying. What I meant to ask, since you mentioned that being in a storyline softens the blow of losing (paraphrase yes), is that how does not being in one affect dealing with losing? I know in some respects, it can be a harder blow because then that gives off the impression that you're floating. Oops, I had the same impression from your question as well. I would say that someone not in a storyline gives off the impression that they're floating anyway. There's nothing wrong with not being in a storyline though and no one needs to be in one every minute, but I don't see how someone not in a storyline would not appear to be floating win or lose. We've had some guys who have spent almost all of their time here who are not involved in storylines and those guys never make it big here. Floating is a terrible thing regardless (at least to me it is).
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Post by Chase Michaels on May 5, 2014 12:10:48 GMT -5
Oops, I had the same impression from your question as well. I would say that someone not in a storyline gives off the impression that they're floating anyway. There's nothing wrong with not being in a storyline though and no one needs to be in one every minute, but I don't see how someone not in a storyline would not appear to be floating win or lose. We've had some guys who have spent almost all of their time here who are not involved in storylines and those guys never make it big here. Floating is a terrible thing regardless (at least to me it is). I've seemed to be floating most of my time here, is not that I don't want to get involved in storylines, infact I'm quite open to reasonable storylines it's just nothing has ever really kicked off.
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Post by Jonny Fly on May 5, 2014 12:38:54 GMT -5
I'm crude because my character doesn't even have a high school education, grew up on the NYC streets, then came into money at a young age, has had a variety of criminal issues, etc. Typical douchebag.
There'a place for crude if that's your character. I couldn't imagine a Zombie McMorris RP without it, for example. But yeah, I think we can all agree that Steve Orbit is the worst. Just totally classless.
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Post by CD's Old Account on May 5, 2014 12:50:19 GMT -5
A serious thread? In my WCF? Haha, nope. Not happening.
I deal with losing well because Corey Black never loses.
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Post by Zombie DankMorris on May 5, 2014 12:53:48 GMT -5
I'm crude because my character doesn't even have a high school education, grew up on the NYC streets, then came into money at a young age, has had a variety of criminal issues, etc. Typical douchebag. There'a place for crude if that's your character. I couldn't imagine a Zombie McMorris RP without it, for example. But yeah, I think we can all agree that Steve Orbit is the worst. Just totally classless. Honey Badger don't always use profanity in his promos But when he do, Honey Badger don't give a shit! Honey Badger: Cornering the market on profane and crude material since 2012. How does Honey Badger deal with loss? The same way any politician would. Create conspiracy theories and blame the liberal media bias.
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Post by Steve Orbit on May 5, 2014 13:14:16 GMT -5
When you're in a storyline you're thinking ahead, you're motivated, you have a purpose.
When you're not, every loss feels like you get a bit more buried and you feel like you can't come back from it. It's really tough to get into the game if you keep losing and can't get a storyline together
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Post by Zombie DankMorris on May 5, 2014 13:19:36 GMT -5
When you're in a storyline you're thinking ahead, you're motivated, you have a purpose. When you're not, every loss feels like you get a bit more buried and you feel like you can't come back from it. It's really tough to get into the game if you keep losing and can't get a storyline together Step 1: Blame Liberal Media Bias step 2: Halliburton step 3: $$$$ profit
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 13:24:36 GMT -5
I'm crude because my character doesn't even have a high school education, grew up on the NYC streets, then came into money at a young age, has had a variety of criminal issues, etc. Typical douchebag. There'a place for crude if that's your character. I couldn't imagine a Zombie McMorris RP without it, for example. But yeah, I think we can all agree that Steve Orbit is the worst. Just totally classless. Yeah but you have way more strings to your bow than just crudity. Fly is able to mix it up to be serious, intense, real, light hearted etc. You don't rely on it. Would I prefer a little less crudity? Sure but that's my preference. Doesn't take away from the fact that you are incredibly good and one of my favourites here. Just to clarify, I don't really get offended by crudity (unless it's deeply blasphemous or glorifying/trivialising sexual abuse which I very rarely see here), it's something that turns me off. Especially when it's overdone and takes precedence over good storytelling and intelligent writing. That doesn't happen much in WCF but I've seen it a lot in other writing communities and e-feds. I'm perhaps from the old school of e-fedding where I like to write as if it would be a promo/skit on WWE TV during the Attitude era. For instance, there might be the odd swear word, sexual reference or blood. But there wouldn't be anything like murder, rape, calling people peadophiles etc. Then again, I'm an odd breed. I find shows like Game of Thrones, albeit well made, too explicit. Don't mean to be a prude but horses for courses. Variety is the spice of life (and other related cliches).
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 13:42:24 GMT -5
Just some general advice that I wanted to add to the discussion, a few talking points that arrived in my brain.
1) I really encourage people to focus on developing their characters. You might not see a ton of victories when you first arrive in WCF, especially now with the talent pool being as deep as it is, but you can plant the seeds for a memorable WCF career with your character's early promos, segments, etc. Ask yourself some questions: "What makes my character stand out from the rest? What defines his or her persona? What are his or her objectives here in WCF? What are my objectives as the handler? How can I sustain my character for the long haul? Where do I see my character in six months or a year and what can I do as the handler to make those things happen?"
Let's face it, winning every week isn't a sustainable gimmick unless you're Jonny Fly, so what else is your character bringing to the table? What do you want your character to be at the end of the day? You cannot control wins and losses beyond the effort that you put into writing your promo, but you can control how you present your character and that's a responsibility that you should never neglect. The thrill of victory and agony of defeat are both fleeting emotions. They're the short term. Plan for the long term.
2) As has been mentioned, getting into a storyline can pay huge dividends. Even beyond wins and losses, storylines are important because they can establish your character. Look at real life pro wrestling, for example. Most wrestlers don't go on long winning streaks out of the gate unless you're talking about a guy like Goldberg or Samoa Joe when he debuted in TNA, but even characters that don't win every week can get over in a big way if they're involved in memorable feuds and storylines. You might not be a World Champion caliber writer when you first join WCF, but you can work your way up to that level. By immersing yourself in a storyline you can improve as a writer and you can establish your character so that when you do get to that World Championship level you're ready for the moment. You've prepared yourself for it. You're ready as a writer and your character is ready, because he or she has attained that level of credibility and sustainability.
3) It can be discouraging to lose, especially when you put a lot of effort into your writing. We're all human. Self-example: I once lost a World Title match and got pissed off at Seth and rage quit. I'm kind of embarrassed to admit that four years later, but hey it happened. What I did wrong, was I took this game too seriously from a competitive standpoint. I lost sight of why I enjoy writing in the first place. My enjoyment doesn't come from defeating opponents in fantasy wrestling matches. My enjoyment comes from the feeling that I get when I've engrossed myself in the stories that I'm writing. I get a thrill, a motherfucking thrill, from brainstorming ideas and piecing stories together from one week to the next, one match to the next, one promo to the next, one segment to the next. I'm always trying to find a way to make it all work and keep things fresh and interesting and vital. That's my main pursuit. That's why I do this.
Everything that I just described, that's bigger to me than the wins and losses. That's the challenge that I relish whether I'm writing for Bobby Cairo, The Modern Day Messiah, or some kid with a turtle shell strapped onto his back. Maybe you lost this week. Maybe you lost last week. Maybe you lost for the last ten weeks, but that's not really what's important if you're doing this for the right reasons. If you focus on improving yourself as a writer and developing your character, immersing yourself in the stories, then you're going to get better and you're going to win your share of matches and championships. You're going to have a hell of a lot of fun in the process as well.
Matches that you're losing now will turn into victories in the future. And if you're already established, already have championships on your record, then never lose sight of why you came here in the first place. Don't be silly and stubborn like I was once upon a time and flake out because things didn't go your way in that big match that you really wanted to win. There's a much bigger picture to take into account. There always is, in WCF and in life.
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Post by Steve Orbit on May 5, 2014 13:48:49 GMT -5
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No "you're welcome"?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 13:50:46 GMT -5
Well I didn't think anyone was actually going to read it but if you insist...
YOU'RE WELCOME! /DamienSandow.exe
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Post by Jonny Fly on May 5, 2014 14:03:40 GMT -5
Let's face it, winning every week isn't a sustainable gimmick unless you're Jonny Fly OR BOBBY CAIRO.
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