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Post by Joey Flash on May 8, 2016 18:36:02 GMT -5
Fuck 'how we appear' to prospective members, we have the strongest, tightest, best community of creative writers I've ever stumbled across on the internet. Let's not fall to pieces over built up animosity exploding over a minor issue.
Sure there are little cliques, sure there are people who become better friends with people than others: that's life.
However there is absolutely no need for hidden animosity, gagging orders and other shit like that. So, mods (if there are any left after this shit show, and Seth) just let this roll and leave it a diplomatic immunity zone.
There are a lot of issues members have with the running of the federation/other members - so let's air it and let's clear it. Be civil, rational and we can sort this. Thanks! (If I do shit that upsets you, fucking tell me - don't hide that shit! If someone upsets you, let's talk!)
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 18:38:37 GMT -5
Also, can anyone involved in Slam please not post here until they've submitted their matches?
I won't ban anyone that says shit about me, I couldn't care less, but I do expect you to be respectful to everyone else. For example, "I don't think Logan roleplays well." is fine, but "Logan fuckin sucks and he's fuckin shit" isn't. I mean, obviously, but.. apparently not obviously.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 18:39:25 GMT -5
Flash, seeing as you're the one that said I didn't address things in the previous thread, I'd like if you could just get that out of the way and let me know what needs addressing, or what I missed.
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Post by Joey Flash on May 8, 2016 18:40:19 GMT -5
This thread isn't for YOU FUCKING SUCK DIE.
It's for, you made me mad or upset because you do A) and B) I would really appreciate if you could maybe do C) or D).
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 18:45:17 GMT -5
Again, you mentioned I didn't answer things from the previous thread so I'd like to know what I didn't answer so I could just get it out of the way as quickly as possible so I can actually do real work.
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 18:47:00 GMT -5
/sets out a box of tissues
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 18:50:29 GMT -5
/sets out a box of tissues Clearly the kind of thing Flash is looking to avoid here. No need to be like this!, we can have a legit talk without this kind of thing please!
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Post by Joey Flash on May 8, 2016 18:53:38 GMT -5
Flash, seeing as you're the one that said I didn't address things in the previous thread, I'd like if you could just get that out of the way and let me know what needs addressing, or what I missed. I'm not bullshitting when I'm saying half the fed is willing to go. It's the way the federation is managed, the mods are treated as subservient with no real say, the way it's one rule for one person and not for another. It's nothing to do with results. I guess I'll be the voice for people who aren't here, FML. An example, and I know you don't mean it with malice or anything was when Gable sent me a message saying how much a comment you made discouraged him from wanting to be here - regarding his characters and your attitude toward them. He had been building a slow build story with Atreyu for a big feud and just had everything swept from underneath him. Letting Gravedigger walk, in no way, ever would I let someone like that who has given so much over so long just walk away without real in depth conversation and compromise. It's not the booking, results or anything that's the problem - it's the communication and personal relationships breaking down. It's the disregarding of people's problems without a solid resolution, inconsistencies and lack of clarity. Example being: If I was a sensitive prick: Flash has been the flagship character for the past year, done the most in character, rarely taken a week off, Out Of Character being the single biggest contributor to the federation and after the Logan cash in got absolutely nada about the direction of Flash. Not a 'holy shit I realise you weren't prepped this week bro, but there are XYZ opportunities' not a 'Damn, you're still good for whatever, good title reign!' I'm not a sensitive prick, it's whatever - however: It's the little things that make a massive difference, and it's the little things that are killing a lot of people here.
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 18:57:58 GMT -5
I don't believe one single thing anyone has said. I can't believe a fake ban was put in place and nobody was told. I don't believe there's a "fake penis" being passed around to members of the fed and people associated with members of this thread. I don't believe we mods are taken seriously enough by members or Seth, because we either have to complain about stuff for days to get it noticed but by god if we go off and do something about it we're fucking idiots. One of you is an old member pretending to be new and it has pissed me off for a week but I don't know who knows anything so I can't do anything about it.
Favoritism isn't a thing here. That isn't the problem. It's no consequences. That is the issue. Yes everybody should have fun, and we should tell those that ruin said fun to piss off.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 19:09:18 GMT -5
Flash, seeing as you're the one that said I didn't address things in the previous thread, I'd like if you could just get that out of the way and let me know what needs addressing, or what I missed. I'm not bullshitting when I'm saying half the fed is willing to go. It's the way the federation is managed, the mods are treated as subservient with no real say, the way it's one rule for one person and not for another. It's nothing to do with results. I guess I'll be the voice for people who aren't here, FML. An example, and I know you don't mean it with malice or anything was when Gable sent me a message saying how much a comment you made discouraged him from wanting to be here - regarding his characters and your attitude toward them. He had been building a slow build story with Atreyu for a big feud and just had everything swept from underneath him. Letting Gravedigger walk, in no way, ever would I let someone like that who has given so much over so long just walk away without real in depth conversation and compromise. It's not the booking, results or anything that's the problem - it's the communication and personal relationships breaking down. It's the disregarding of people's problems without a solid resolution, inconsistencies and lack of clarity. Example being: If I was a sensitive prick: Flash has been the flagship character for the past year, done the most in character, rarely taken a week off, Out Of Character being the single biggest contributor to the federation and after the Logan cash in got absolutely nada about the direction of Flash. Not a 'holy shit I realise you weren't prepped this week bro, but there are XYZ opportunities' not a 'Damn, you're still good for whatever, good title reign!' I'm not a sensitive prick, it's whatever - however: It's the little things that make a massive difference, and it's the little things that are killing a lot of people here. I disagree about the mods. I've made a lot of compromise thanks to them. That said, you're right, this isn't a democracy and I'm going to take the final say - even when they don't agree with me. I can't think of any circumstances of "one rule for one person but not another." I'd address anything in particular if brought up. I've given many people a bunch of chances, that's about it that I can think of? But I can't think of anyone that has gotten away with things that someone else didn't get away with. As for Gable, I'll admit that I can't remember the specifics of any planned feud, but ... it's very possible I didn't even have the specifics. A lot of people build plans/feuds and don't bother getting input or clearing ideas with me. Unfortunately I also haven't made it a secret that you're going to have limited success if you switch in and out of characters a lot - depending on how you view success. If you have two characters, is there space for them to both wrestle in Title matches or in Title feuds? No, because it takes opportunity away from others. I didn't "let Gravedigger walk," he decided to do it. As evidenced by what he did in that thread, I couldn't have changed his mind. He clearly lost respect for me; I never lost any for him, but he can make his own decisions. Me running after someone to ask them not to go or something would be for no other reason than to stroke their ego, and I'd respect GD too much to do that. And if he wasn't happy being here, why would I want him to stay?, that would be unfair of me. That said, I honestly didn't realize he was as unhappy as he apparently is, and expected him to want to come back eventually. He never once tried to communicate with me directly, one on one, just in our admin thread with all the other admins. I feel like I have a positive relationship with anyone that takes the time to communicate with me. It seems that most people that may have problems get their information from sources OTHER than me. You messaged me before I'd even be able to think about messaging you. Also, I remembered you saying in an earlier thread that all you wanted to do was get booked and see where it took you, and that you didn't want to be World Champion to begin with ... when you said that I got the feeling that you wanted to sit back and just let things happen. But no, I'm sorry, I don't have the time to PM people or send people messages like that. I'm sorry, but I don't. I realize I don't talk to guys a lot about my personal life, and most people here don't really know a lot about me, but that's not how things will ever be. I'm honestly sorry if anyone's enjoyment of WCF is lessened because I don't have time to do more than give Of The Week awards, answer PMs ... I can't be people's cheerleader on top of it, I just can't. I already struggle keeping up with everything else going on.
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Post by Odin Balfore on May 8, 2016 19:09:19 GMT -5
I don't believe one single thing anyone has said. I can't believe a fake ban was put in place and nobody was told. I don't believe there's a "fake penis" being passed around to members of the fed and people associated with members of this thread. I don't believe we mods are taken seriously enough by members or Seth, because we either have to complain about stuff for days to get it noticed but by god if we go off and do something about it we're fucking idiots. One of you is an old member pretending to be new and it has pissed me off for a week but I don't know who knows anything so I can't do anything about it. Favoritism isn't a thing here. That isn't the problem. It's no consequences. That is the issue. Yes everybody should have fun, and we should tell those that ruin said fun to piss off. I'm going to second this stance.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 19:14:59 GMT -5
I don't believe one single thing anyone has said. I can't believe a fake ban was put in place and nobody was told. I don't believe there's a "fake penis" being passed around to members of the fed and people associated with members of this thread. I don't believe we mods are taken seriously enough by members or Seth, because we either have to complain about stuff for days to get it noticed but by god if we go off and do something about it we're fucking idiots. One of you is an old member pretending to be new and it has pissed me off for a week but I don't know who knows anything so I can't do anything about it. Favoritism isn't a thing here. That isn't the problem. It's no consequences. That is the issue. Yes everybody should have fun, and we should tell those that ruin said fun to piss off. This is fucking annoying. Why would I lie to you or anyone else about the "fake ban?" Why am I wasting my time talking if I'm going to tell people what happened only to be told I'm lying to them? I have no idea who the new member pretending to be old is, but every other time that's happened, I've stood by the mods for dealing with it. I haven't had time to check my PMs. There was one time that old member pretending to be new had PMed me and not the other mods, so yeah, maybe you sent me a PM asking me? I don't know. But if you did it would've been in the last few days, I had checked every new PM I'd gotten. Not that I want everyone to do this, but CD, you could message me on Facebook if something is urgent. I don't have the time or inclination to log in here every single day but if something is urgent I'd address it if you let me know on there. Torture is the only one that has done anything that I've seen that needed "consequences", albeit lately, and people are pissed at me that he faced them. A TWO DAY ban - and the favoritism is that the ban wasn't longer. "Telling those that ruin the fun to fuck off" just ends in two people telling each other to fuck off because they're ruining each other's fun, with no one of them being in the right or wrong - that's why people have to work together.
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 19:16:51 GMT -5
Poor choice of words. I don't believe the ban as in that was a bad call. Nobody said anything for the rest of the reasons.
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Post by Jayson Price on May 8, 2016 19:16:51 GMT -5
I don't believe one single thing anyone has said. I can't believe a fake ban was put in place and nobody was told. I don't believe there's a "fake penis" being passed around to members of the fed and people associated with members of this thread. I don't believe we mods are taken seriously enough by members or Seth, because we either have to complain about stuff for days to get it noticed but by god if we go off and do something about it we're fucking idiots. One of you is an old member pretending to be new and it has pissed me off for a week but I don't know who knows anything so I can't do anything about it. Favoritism isn't a thing here. That isn't the problem. It's no consequences. That is the issue. Yes everybody should have fun, and we should tell those that ruin said fun to piss off. I'm going to second this stance. Thirded. And let's make it a general rule that if a mod gets a complaint about an unwanted dick pic from another member, that's a bannable offense. Lilith and Logan wanna make nice about it now, fine. But that's the second time someone came to us talking about Logan pulling that shit and the first person still is pissed about it. And no, drunkenly assuming that a girl automatically wants to see your cock isn't a defense.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 19:17:41 GMT -5
Yeah that's not true at all. I felt that I was pretty clear on countless occasions for a very long time but I stuck it out for my friends on here and because I helped build this place. You also made it pretty clear how you felt about opposing opinions, disagreements, and shit like that in our PM thread with me, you, and two other admins, not a thread with all the other admins. You apparently forgot about that and we both got pretty heated with each other.
I never outright came to you about it and said I was leaving, because you made it pretty clear you didn't give a fuck. I didn't make it public either because I didn't want to cause drama on the boards.
EDIT: And my interpretation of what you said in that PM thread isn't mine alone.
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Post by Wade Moor on May 8, 2016 19:18:28 GMT -5
WCF needs more white ladies with vaginas made of graham crackers.
THAT.
IS MY GRIEVANCE.
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Post by Logan on May 8, 2016 19:21:14 GMT -5
WCF needs more white ladies with vaginas made of graham crackers. THAT. IS MY GRIEVANCE. Seconded. Also I'm tired of explaining the dick pic stuff and everyone ignoring it. So no thanks.
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Post by Corey Black on May 8, 2016 19:24:05 GMT -5
Old new member isn't urgent. It slipped by for a bit but I had it in the mod PM days ago waiting for a response before acting for the exact reason of me not knowing if anyone was informed. And it is a bit controversial all things considered.
We need to tell people to fuck off out of here. There can't be any middle ground. None of this slap on the wrist stuff. It is like being a parent. Everyone knows theres a million hoops to jump through to punish anyone so fuck it. Dicks and drama and bullshit galore.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 19:26:16 GMT -5
I'm going to second this stance. Thirded. And let's make it a general rule that if a mod gets a complaint about an unwanted dick pic from another member, that's a bannable offense. Lilith and Logan wanna make nice about it now, fine. But that's the second time someone came to us talking about Logan pulling that shit and the first person still is pissed about it. And no, drunkenly assuming that a girl automatically wants to see your cock isn't a defense. It's a bigger conversation than that. I'll agree on a personal stance - Logan is fucked for all of that!, sorry Logan, but dick pics aren't cool in any scenario. That said, I've been criticized for double standards and whatever - who DID I ban or something for OOC stuff done on Facebook, like people wanted Logan banned for? No one I can remember. If I've let Logan get away with too much, at the very least, there's no one I HAVEN'T let get away with stuff. I really don't like getting involved with conversations people have on Facebook. Or anywhere else that is meant to be private. If Joey Flash and Celeste got in a real life fight and Celeste and she was active and she came on here and said "Joey Flash said horrible things about me, ban him!", well shit!, he did something in REAL LIFE!, even worse than the internet. But it was a private conversation between two adults. Why does any of it have to do with me or WCF? Same scenario for any two people that know each other in real life. Again, I absolutely do not condone what Logan did, but it wasn't about him. If Johnny Juice sent George Georgie a dick pic or anything unwanted on somewhere that wasn't WCF, I really wouldn't be excited to get involved.
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Post by Seth on May 8, 2016 19:27:36 GMT -5
Yeah that's not true at all. I felt that I was pretty clear on countless occasions for a very long time but I stuck it out for my friends on here and because I helped build this place. You also made it pretty clear how you felt about opposing opinions, disagreements, and shit like that in our PM thread with me, you, and two other admins, not a thread with all the other admins. You apparently forgot about that and we both got pretty heated with each other. I never outright came to you about it and said I was leaving, because you made it pretty clear you didn't give a fuck. I didn't make it public either because I didn't want to cause drama on the boards. EDIT: And my interpretation of what you said in that PM thread isn't mine alone. Then it was, at worst, poor wording and poor comprehension on my part. I've given you my honest feelings on the situation.
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