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Post by Seth on May 2, 2016 19:39:07 GMT -5
I've recently started doing a lot more draws when I get to a point where I can't decide who should win a particular match. Usually it's only after I've changed my mind a few times and I feel like I might as well flip a coin because things seemed evenly matched.
Would you guys prefer I just find some reason or some way to pick a winner? Are the draws too unsatisfying? Or is it better not to have someone take a loss when things are so evenly matched?
Thoughts?
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Post by Crystal Knight on May 2, 2016 19:41:46 GMT -5
If you can't decide, make it a draw. Sounds good to me
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Post by Teo Blaze on May 2, 2016 19:50:30 GMT -5
So long as the match has no stakes and it doesn't impact the booking, I would be perfectly happy with draws where the situation calls for it. From a momentum perspective, I'd imagine draws would be treated more like a win for both guys than a loss for both guys. Note nothing I say here applies to feuds or storylines lol. Draws in title matches is frustrating and Russo-ish if overused, even if the situation calls for it. And having 2 or 3 draws per show is too much If there must be a winner, my suggestion would be to have a council of drawbreakers! (Fancy names are fun) or someone(s) with whom you can confer and decide a winner. Their identities should be kept secret of course and they shoudln't judge their own matches!
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Post by Shadowlove on May 2, 2016 19:54:23 GMT -5
If you find that the roleplays are to close to call then it should be a draw. A coin flip is kind of a cop out on the decision making. It's up to the roleplayers themselves to try to outdo one another the next time that they face each other.
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Post by SickWaves Blackamura on May 2, 2016 19:58:05 GMT -5
I think it works if it's part of a feud or if you include more people in the rematch similar to the trios of trios thing. It's about keeping yourself fresh with opponents, so I'd just avoid doing it too much with the exact same rematch. If it's a tie, I'd try not to have the rematch be identical.
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Post by Corey Black on May 2, 2016 19:58:10 GMT -5
In certain situations it's fine, I'd think. Title matches, if a draw, should end in a way that puts over the challenger but keeps the title on the champion. If a heel is champion, low blow DQ or something. If a face is champion, you'd have to get more creative like a countout or something. A reason to have a rematch is what I'm saying.
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Post by Stuart Slane on May 2, 2016 20:01:25 GMT -5
I would say find a way to pick a winner unless you feel the story benefits from a draw. I'm pretty sure you said in the past you don't consider outside factors when judging role-plays, but if you are unable to choose based just on their rp work things like match-writing and overall board presence could become part of determining the outcome.
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Post by Kaz on May 2, 2016 20:08:04 GMT -5
I think the only time I find draws unsatisfying is when it's a number one contender match. I feel like those are "must win" situations for one guy or the other. Moving both of them to the PPV doesn't really do anything for the challengers and it gives the champion a whole new avenue of shoot to wreck them with (ie: "you guys couldn't even beat each other, what makes you think you can beat the champion?", etc.)
But I do like draws in certain circumstances! especially if a match has been built between two guys who are dead even in ability and momentum! It keeps the stone rolling!
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Post by Sarah Twilight on May 2, 2016 20:12:33 GMT -5
If you feel a match cannot be decided, then a draw is fine.
I think they only real way of doing it is if you can't decide a winner in your normal way, maybe go down your own checklist of what you look for/what you enjoy and assign points based on each criteria and see if totaling up the points for each RP can help to decide the winner in a case where your own judgement isn't leaning one way or the other.
If you total point values by assigning them to each RP separately 9/10 times you should have one person with a (slightly) higher total than the other and boom, problem solved.
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Post by Steve Orbit on May 2, 2016 20:21:09 GMT -5
As long as it makes sense and doesn't complicate things too much, I say it's alright once in a while. If your gut says there's no winner, then that's what it is.
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Post by SickWaves Blackamura on May 2, 2016 20:25:45 GMT -5
If you feel a match cannot be decided, then a draw is fine. I think they only real way of doing it is if you can't decide a winner in your normal way, maybe go down your own checklist of what you look for/what you enjoy and assign points based on each criteria and see if totaling up the points for each RP can help to decide the winner in a case where your own judgement isn't leaning one way or the other. If you total point values by assigning them to each RP separately 9/10 times you should have one person with a (slightly) higher total than the other and boom, problem solved. Decent idea actually. I'd evaluate on like shoot, story, match relevance, creativity, and something else with them both being rated out of 10. Highest total up to 50 wins. That's if you can't decide after initial reads.
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Post by Seth on May 2, 2016 20:36:34 GMT -5
That's true, and I've done that before!
I've also done what Corey said and used DQ endings and whatnot too.
Just wanted to get a feel for what you guys think!
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Post by Gemini Battle on May 2, 2016 20:46:01 GMT -5
A draw is my biggest accomplishment in WCF so I'm all for it. #dune
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Post by Chief Tom-O-Hawk on May 3, 2016 2:28:49 GMT -5
Character relevance should apply.
Freezer Burn would see that he can't win, and take so many shortcuts as to get himself disqualified. Where seeing that the match is going to be close, he would be more sneaky about his cheats, and probably still get disqualified. Force a rematch with no rules/steel cage setup.
Tomohawk would go into a bullrush frenzy. If he can't win, he's gonna do what he can to cause injury before losing. Seeing a potential tie, he's gonna force a double countout and continue the fight backstage anyway. Could lead to a 'Parking Lot Brawl' for a rematch.
If the roleplays are tied, there is still the option of declaring the winner to being the one with the better match angle sent in, if any was sent.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 12:25:54 GMT -5
I think draws add some level of at least letting the world understand that the opponents in question are on relative equal footing. This could be a huge push for a guy who's new yet skilled and faces a long-standing veteran in the fed. Or could indicate that a person is ready for the move to the Main Event when facing a Main Eventer.
I don't consider draws to be the worst. If anything, its pushing the bet and potentially raising the stakes for later on down the road. While it would suck for the competitors in question due to the added pressure, it makes for great storytelling for the fans, overall. But overused, like the "Dusty Finish", and it can get old, fast.
My .02
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Post by Andre Jenson on May 3, 2016 13:43:24 GMT -5
Be a man and roll dice. Draws are for Goblins.
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Post by Odin Balfore on May 4, 2016 1:16:27 GMT -5
Step 1 get a manatee
Step 2 a ball pit with odd and even numbers.
Step 3 name him Russo
Step 4 ??
Step 5 profit $$
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