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Post by Seth on Apr 25, 2016 0:22:40 GMT -5
From now on, you're not allowed to storyline your match unless you get it approved with me first. That is to say, I can't hear at the end of the week "oh by the way we decided to storyline the match!"
This is a competition based e-fed and I think we've been storylining too many matches!, so yeah. Yay new rules!
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Post by CJ Phoenix on Apr 25, 2016 23:28:13 GMT -5
At the acceptable loss of sounding young, dumb, nooby, and confused, what does this "storylining the match" mean so I can know what to avoid?
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Post by Seth on Apr 25, 2016 23:28:49 GMT -5
Deciding with your opponents the outcome!
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Post by CJ Phoenix on Apr 25, 2016 23:30:18 GMT -5
I see. Thanks for the info!
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Post by Gemini Battle on Apr 26, 2016 5:39:24 GMT -5
At the acceptable loss of sounding young, dumb, nooby, and confused, what does this "storylining the match" mean so I can know what to avoid? Ugh...who brought the rookie?
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Post by "Iron Heart" Ethan King on Apr 26, 2016 5:48:27 GMT -5
At the acceptable loss of sounding young, dumb, nooby, and confused, what does this "storylining the match" mean so I can know what to avoid? Ugh...who brought the rookie? Not sure, that question sounded grimey af though.
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Post by Andre Jenson on Apr 26, 2016 5:56:12 GMT -5
Thought this was the rule anyway. I never storyline anything without at least going "We should check with Seth like"
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Post by Joey Flash on Apr 26, 2016 6:23:17 GMT -5
I think this speaks to two things: the fed as a whole being quite tight knit and comfortable with each other so if someone has work/life issues we don't go too hard in a certain week...
...but the main issue (speaking for people I've talked to about this) comes with random tag matches that do nothing for a) the character or b) the story. Example:
Heading into Asesinato De Mayo (with no Trios) the booking might go:
Week One:
Joey Flash + Random Partner vs Two Members of #BeachKrew
Week Two:
Joey Flash + Another Random Partner vs One of the same members of #BeachKrew + Another member
Week Three:
Joey Flash + Yet another random guy vs Jared Holmes + a #BeachKrew guy
(I remember one run where Mikey and Vengeance faced each other like three weeks in a row before their big PPV match or something haha)
Now, the problem (for me at least) is huge huge fatigue, like before this run of booking for example I've already faced all the guys in BK like five times in a short space of time and NOW having to continue to do so against the same set of opponents week after week just exhausts the will to compete and write.
With the final match in the 'go home show' that has almost without fail for the past six months, been storylined with the simple reasoning 'why waste your material on a dude you're facing in a massive match the following week?'
I think as a whole it's just a draining schedule if you have to run through that, not because we don't want to write, but because we WANT to write and keep things fresh.
The best build to a Pay Per View I've ever, ever had here by an absolute mile was when Price built toward War.
Every week he had Dune and I in singles matches against top tier opponents for like a month straight. Each match MEANT something to both of us, and the competition too and each Slam had an intensity about it. It helped establish the main event as being really special, and elevated a hell of a lot of talent as well who got such a big singles opportunity. I recall Teo and Spencer in particular really showing their chops, something they (Teo especially) hasn't really had an opportunity to do since.
All in all, I feel storylining is a product of the show structure at the moment more than it is anything else, not to say it's 'bad booking' or anything, just that people do have a bit of malaise in general when it comes to Slam because of this!
Grazie.
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Post by Lilith on Apr 26, 2016 6:28:35 GMT -5
I agree with Joey 110% and not just because I'm a weird cunt fanboy .... That's just part of the reason
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Post by Teo Blaze on Apr 26, 2016 8:00:40 GMT -5
As someone who has storylined a lot of matches so far in my WCF career (once in a feud of the year nominee lol) I have no problems with this new development.
As to the issue of people story lining too much... Well, I'm going to take a somewhat neutral stance and say there's a right way to do it and a wrong way to do it.
First off, title matches should ALMOST NEVER be storylined. I can think of a few exceptions, such as with the TV title where you might want to have a certain match so you have the champion disqualify himself, but by and large if you are a champion announcing a title match you know in advance is going to be storylined, it honestly comes off as a waste of time, especially if you're going to be facing the same opponent later. It diminishes the significance of your belt if you're essentially wasting time with it.
Furthermore, doing so is incredibly frustrating if you have other contenders who are waiting for their shot or who legitimately want to fight for it. If you're having a title match, you had better be willing to prove you deserve to be holding that belt- it's better for the federation as a whole.
This is an easy punching bag, but an example might be Tortures hardcore title run (love you torture!) a lot of people felt like the belt should be retired because it wasn't defended.
Now! Rather than listing the ways to storyline wrong, I'm going to explain how I feel one should storyline right. And the key word is exactly that- storyline. If you want a particular result for your match, sometimes you have to both agree beforehand that that is what is going to happen.
But!
You shouldn't let it be known that the result is storylined. Don't lie about it, but don't volunteer the information either. When me and Sanchez or Jarrd knew about a predetermined outcome, we would not warn anyone or put an asterisk next to the match, we would just let it happen and pretend that it was always supposed to end that way. The result was that we were able to tell the story we wanted to tell without pulling back the curtain for anyone who didn't want to know. The purpose of storylining should be to give you a bit more control of the feud in question and to hopefully make everyone look stronger going in, not to kill time or to just have something to do that week.
As an example, Hypothetically, im feuding with Dag. It's a 4-match program. Week 1 we face off and one of us wins, so week 2 he offers me a shot at his belt. We both agree on and know going in that he's going to cheat to win, but we don't make this common knowledge. Hopefully, the result is that people feel sympathy for Teo and want to see him win it at the PPV, and Dag looks like a despicable heel. Hopefully you don't tell people you're in a feud either lol, cause then youre tipping them off. But if you tell everyone before the match that it's storylined, then people just skip it because you're not surprising them.
And that's the key word- surprise. Storylining allows you to do unpredictable and weird things that make your feud interesting- but if people know your storyline is a 4-week build to a PPV, it renders slam matches absolutely meaningless.
Which brings me to my final point- if you're storylining a match, it is always best if one of the people involved writes the match, and you should both always RP anyway. It sounds silly, but you really want to throw people off your trail if you're going to be doing something cool. Storylining matches is awesome, but done perfectly, people should not see it coming, and they shouldn't walk away knowing for sure that it was predetermined. We're savvy guys here, but we like to be fooled sometimes, too.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Apr 26, 2016 10:48:04 GMT -5
um me and the guys were talking and we want to storyline trios so our team wins
thanks
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Post by Jayson Price on Apr 26, 2016 12:01:48 GMT -5
um me and the guys were talking and we want to storyline trios so our team wins thanks Seth agreed to let me win Trios, Ultimate Showdown and WAR for the next two years in exchange for taking him to Vegas. So 2018 can be your year!
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Post by Sarah Twilight on Apr 26, 2016 12:06:47 GMT -5
Well, if we're doing bribes now I'll just offer CD my extra beta key and full digital download key for Friday the 13th: the game in exchange for becoming world champion at XIII. I can negotiate too! lol
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Post by The Polar Phantasm on Apr 26, 2016 17:26:46 GMT -5
Storylining shit is occasionally a great idea and occasionally a terrible idea; just ask Seth about it. Best case, you're saving him work; worst case, you're RUINING FAKE INTERNET WRESTLING FOR EVERYONE. Either way, ask him about it. He probably won't make fun of you about it later, at least not to your face. Seth's a classy guy. That said, I'm always down for scripting out a few weeks of nonsense; it gives me a chance to write fun shit with my friends instead of worrying I'm not talking enough shit to win a match or something, and it's the professional wrestling way of doing things in general so it's more wrestling-relevant than I've been since I was like 22. But that's just me. I'm way more about going deep with storytelling; it's how I justify spending about two solid days out of the week writing for an online roleplay wrestling federation instead of going outside where all the women are. -B.
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Post by Stuart Slane on Apr 26, 2016 19:19:09 GMT -5
I've storylined matches so there's been no outcome in the past because people have said real life will prevent them from role-playing. Most of the time the rematch takes place somewhere down the road. Storylining matches to furthers feud seems ok if that was the plan for the match all along. But getting a match thrown out because having an actual outcome wouldn't be good for your (or someone else's) character or you're bored or you're facing one of the same opponents later for stakes that matter so you want to save your "A" material for that role play? I can't really grok with that. Story-telling and collaboration is awesome, but in the end WCF is a game with winners and losers. Sometimes you got to take the defeat (or the victory I suppose) even if it contradicts your wrestler's "arc".
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Post by Mikey eXtreme on Apr 26, 2016 20:05:22 GMT -5
I've never really liked storylining matches and usually only do it when there is a collective (cluster fuck) no drive to RP.
Working all those matches in a row with Vengeance took a lot out of me creatively because they were so competitive. It was a fun feud but going with that much intensity back to back to back was grueling.
I had a similar run with Core where but matches leading up to the ppv end all were storylined. It was a much more creative feel and it didn't drain me at all. It also made for a much talked about angle.
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Post by Steve Orbit on Apr 26, 2016 20:32:45 GMT -5
When facing the same people over and over again, it really helps to have a side story unrelated to wrestling that you can tell week to week and work in the shoot. Unfortunately it might not be relevant enough to get the won, but uh.. at least you have something to write. That's worked for me in the past.
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Post by Vengeance on Apr 26, 2016 23:49:12 GMT -5
I've never really liked storylining matches and usually only do it when there is a collective (cluster fuck) no drive to RP. Working all those matches in a row with Vengeance took a lot out of me creatively because they were so competitive. It was a fun feud but going with that much intensity back to back to back was grueling. I had a similar run with Core where but matches leading up to the ppv end all were storylined. It was a much more creative feel and it didn't drain me at all. It also made for a much talked about angle. I agree with this 100% facing someone like three weeks in a row then at a PPV totally killed my RPs. I had nothing left the last time we faced each other!
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Post by Seth on Apr 28, 2016 22:23:41 GMT -5
I asked that you get storylined matches approved - not that I'd deny them.
The purpose of this wasn't due to some of the reasonable reasons in this thread. I'm unlikely to deny much of anything.
But if you're asking to have your matches storylined every week without a plan in place, that's a problem, and if you're getting them storylined because I book poorly, that's a problem too; either way we should talk.
Storylined matches due to a predetermined story are great!
Storylining any championship match without approval is bad!
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Post by Jayson Price on Apr 28, 2016 23:01:41 GMT -5
I asked that you get storylined matches approved - not that I'd deny them. The purpose of this wasn't due to some of the reasonable reasons in this thread. I'm unlikely to deny much of anything. But if you're asking to have your matches storylined every week without a plan in place, that's a problem, and if you're getting them storylined because I book poorly, that's a problem too; either way we should talk. Storylined matches due to a predetermined story are great! Storylining any championship match without approval is bad! This.
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