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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 15:28:42 GMT -5
Wow, Bobby. Fucking wow. Epic post. I agree with all of that.
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Post by Alex Richards on May 5, 2014 18:38:56 GMT -5
Yeah.. reading that you can tell why Bobby Cairo rarely loses
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Post by Cormack MacNeill on May 5, 2014 18:50:03 GMT -5
When I first got here, I went on a losing streak or sorts. That caused me to develop the facet of Cormack thats about a good fight. He doesn't dwell on losses that were fairly lost (his handler is a different story), but looks for the next challenge.
I try and use everything that's happened and will happen to enhance, to build, to grow my character. I think that's the most healthy way to view losses.
And I'm with Alpine on one thing. I get a bigger kick out of views and like on my rp's than I do a win. I know the talent at work here, and if I can grab their attention for a minute or two it's a boost to my ego
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Post by Doc Henry on May 5, 2014 22:06:22 GMT -5
Floating is a terrible thing regardless (at least to me it is). I've seemed to be floating most of my time here, is not that I don't want to get involved in storylines, infact I'm quite open to reasonable storylines it's just nothing has ever really kicked off. ^^^ This... When you're in a storyline you're thinking ahead, you're motivated, you have a purpose. When you're not, every loss feels like you get a bit more buried and you feel like you can't come back from it. It's really tough to get into the game if you keep losing and can't get a storyline together ^^^ and this...
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Post by Seifer Black on May 7, 2014 19:49:12 GMT -5
I dont like to be crude in my rps, my character is very subtle in some ways cause he stays calm to a point that it can be scary unless hes pushed too far
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Post by Adrian Adams on May 20, 2014 15:07:19 GMT -5
So this ends up being my first post so far in this fed, but I felt it was a great way to start. This is an epic thread. I appreciate the fact that you all actually took the time to put it out there like this. Losing does suck, and even if you strive to be the best, you will still lose. I've been on both sides of the fence when it comes to winning and losing but it all boiled down to the angle I was working with. Sure, if you lose when you KNOW you had the win, it can be a tough pill to swallow. But you have to remember to back off the keyboard and remember that you're PRETENDING to be a FAKE wrestler. If you can't have fun with that, then you're clearly no fun. Oh, by the way. Hi! I'm pumped to RP here.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 15:43:09 GMT -5
Welcome Adrian!
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Post by Steve Orbit on May 20, 2014 15:53:47 GMT -5
Welcome to the fed.
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Post by Seifer Black on May 26, 2014 7:48:43 GMT -5
Hi Adrian and welcome to the fed...
Got some concerns to go over with my last match, i know i was against the champ and i feel i didnt put my best into the match but it is still a killer of a loss for me cause where am i now? no matter what if orbit won he would have got his rematch in the future but with the trios cup winner getting a shot now im back in the cold... ive said my concerns to others before now but i just wanted to say it here... i dont want to be in the situation where im just going to be forgotten about but i cant help but feel thats going to be the case... will have to wait and see but its not looking good right now...
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 8:20:04 GMT -5
Hi Adrian and welcome to the fed... Got some concerns to go over with my last match, i know i was against the champ and i feel i didnt put my best into the match but it is still a killer of a loss for me cause where am i now? no matter what if orbit won he would have got his rematch in the future but with the trios cup winner getting a shot now im back in the cold... ive said my concerns to others before now but i just wanted to say it here... i dont want to be in the situation where im just going to be forgotten about but i cant help but feel thats going to be the case... will have to wait and see but its not looking good right now... My view is that your character is standing out in a federation full of great talent. There are over 10 guys who could legitimately be very good World Champions here and you are amongst that group. It's crazy competitive here. You have a lot of intriguing stories to tell and there's still a lot of people you haven't worked with yet. There's absolutely no way that Seifer will be forgotten about with your storytelling abilities. World Champion? Unfortunately the queue is long and no one is guaranteed anything. You are certainly still in the mix and it'll taste that much sweeter when you do win it (which I believe will come). Sorry if the above comes off as patronising. It's clear you put your heart and soul into the Orbit feud and it's bound to hurt that you lost. The guy is class. Just to encourage you that I believe no one sees Seifer as any weaker after this. You have built up your reputation here greatly and it's onwards and upwards IMO. Just keep going and keep setting yourself apart with more exciting angles.
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Post by Seifer Black on May 26, 2014 8:34:45 GMT -5
Thanks Brent that's really nice to say and its appreciated, major appreciation to Orbit for letting me get across my ideas and using them during the last month... At the end of the day i hope i have proved that i deserve to be in the main card and hopefully I will get another chance but idk if i can see it... I will just have to see what the future holds for me and carry on...
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 8:47:47 GMT -5
You definitely have.
I've had numerous times where I've felt that Alpine wasn't 'getting over' and was planning to come in as a completely new character and start from scratch. I'm really glad I haven't done that. Also, I've been slow burning on an angle that I've sometimes felt no one seems to have any interest in whatsoever. That's made me want to drop it or hot shot it to get it out the way. I'm glad that I've kept going. I gotta keep to my convictions and trust in my initial vision. Self doubt and creative impatience are common foes in e-fedding.
You're doing better than you think. It's easy to be drawn into disappointment now but stay the course and keep to your convictions. Daniel Bryan was hotter at WrestleMania than he was at SummerSlam when he won and lost the Title on the same night. More people are invested in him because the journey has been longer and more interesting.
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Post by Jonny Fly on May 26, 2014 10:21:13 GMT -5
I think I can say this; there is absolutely no shame in losing to Steve Orbit.
I'm not sure if this is what your were insinuating or whatnot, but Orbit being able to have rematch or his character being in a better position than yours after a loss isn't a consideration Seth would have when deciding winners. I thought you did really good work this week. I mean that too, you've gotten a lot better over the last two months.
Just like anyone else here, you can do your best and still lose to Orbit. That should just motivate you even more next time you get to face him.
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Post by Logan on May 26, 2014 10:25:23 GMT -5
I straight up choked last Sunday. Not going to lie. Guess that's what happened. Everything I wrote kept getting backspaced. Literally all day Saturday and Sunday spent at least 8 hours combined sitting in front of a computer screen trying to write something. Stuff came out, but it sucked so badly - meh.
This usually never happens to me, so I was quite surprised after being here for fourteen years that it can still happen. Feels worse than losing a close match. I don't feel so bad for myself, but for Oblivion, and Beckman. They didn't deserve that. My apologies, guys.
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Post by Seifer Black on May 26, 2014 13:28:10 GMT -5
I think I can say this; there is absolutely no shame in losing to Steve Orbit. I'm not sure if this is what your were insinuating or whatnot, but Orbit being able to have rematch or his character being in a better position than yours after a loss isn't a consideration Seth would have when deciding winners. I thought you did really good work this week. I mean that too, you've gotten a lot better over the last two months. Just like anyone else here, you can do your best and still lose to Orbit. That should just motivate you even more next time you get to face him. Exactly there is no shame in losing to someone like Orbit I completely agree, the main thing i was pointing out with saying he would get a rematch is that because i lost im gonna be pushed back into the shuffle most likely and that kinda hurts... Ill take whatever im given though cause in the end that's what its like, i just hope this isn't the only chance i will get here in WCF... And it will motivate me but its like an scattered motivation atm i dont know where its going to go now and that worries me a little cause ive got nothing going for me now... Im going to try to come up with something hopefully but i know its not just what i want to do and that seth has the final word hence the uncertainty... Again i just hope that i have proven that i can be counted in the upper class of wrestlers in wcf with my work in the month long feud with Orbit.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 13:31:53 GMT -5
It happens. Coming off a stinger myself actually, though it has more to do with how I gave everything I had in those 2 RP's I wrote and how the past week in general had been rather shitty for me. But, it happens.
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Post by Natural ICE Beckman on May 26, 2014 14:44:07 GMT -5
I straight up choked last Sunday. Not going to lie. Guess that's what happened. Everything I wrote kept getting backspaced. Literally all day Saturday and Sunday spent at least 8 hours combined sitting in front of a computer screen trying to write something. Stuff came out, but it sucked so badly - meh. This usually never happens to me, so I was quite surprised after being here for fourteen years that it can still happen. Feels worse than losing a close match. I don't feel so bad for myself, but for Oblivion, and Beckman. They didn't deserve that. My apologies, guys. I will admit I was frustrated at first, but hearing this totally makes me understand and I totally accept your apology. I also owe you an apology for I am really working hard at not taking the winning and losing so seriously, I am a competitive person and like Orbit once pointed out, I always think my writing style is the best, thats why I write it. I just need to remember I am building a character and losses can help build character development more than winning often. Logan, you have been very supportive of my WCF time and I really find myself learning and enjoying your rp style, especially the genius character Catsy. If you ever need help brain storming or whatever please just shoot me a PM and I can try to help if you want. Alright enough mushy stuff, Homer what's your advice...
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2014 15:50:25 GMT -5
Hi Adrian and welcome to the fed... Got some concerns to go over with my last match, i know i was against the champ and i feel i didnt put my best into the match but it is still a killer of a loss for me cause where am i now? no matter what if orbit won he would have got his rematch in the future but with the trios cup winner getting a shot now im back in the cold... ive said my concerns to others before now but i just wanted to say it here... i dont want to be in the situation where im just going to be forgotten about but i cant help but feel thats going to be the case... will have to wait and see but its not looking good right now... I think that even in losing, Seifer's profile has risen dramatically as a result of the feud with Orbit and the fact that he pushed Orbit to the limit in their match. As for the next step for Seifer? That's really up to you. I mean, you can use the momentum from this feud to catapult Seifer into the upper echelon, or you can slink into obscurity. It all depends on how you play your hand. You might not get another crack at the World Title in the immediate future, because of the long queue of contenders, but there are several other belts that you could pursue. Why not make a run at Logan and the Hardcore Title? I think that would suit your style. Or you could pursue the tag belts with Chelsea. Just shoot Seth a PM and let him know what you'd like to do. Plus, we've got Ultimate Showdown coming up in a couple months, in July if I'm not mistaken, so that would present an opportunity to earn another shot at the World Title, but you have to make sure that you keep Seifer in the mix, looking strong.
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Post by Steve Orbit on May 26, 2014 16:31:52 GMT -5
Seifer we talked about this a lot in PM but since it's relevant to the thread I'm gonna say it again here. Everyone is right when they say the loss didn't hurt you as much as you think it did. The thing is there is an emotional defeat that comes like the day after you lose. It happens to everyone ESPECIALLY in big matches, and the World Title match is the biggest of matches. So after a few days you will start to have a more positive outlook. Focus on the positives, which are--
- You won the Trilogy Cup. That is a huge accomplishment and it put your name in the headlines so to speak. The World Title shot was secondary to that, as in, not as important IMO. You should take that and run with it. Seifer is the Trilogy Cup tournament WINNER. Focus on that.
- You just had a month of exposing your character to the fed through our build to the World Title match, which I will publicly state here, was just about all Seifer's ideas. We used all of his ideas and the only thing I really did was write the segments and help decide what should happen when. He was behind the entire build and I had very little to do with it-- yes I ended up incorporating it into my RPs and using it to develop my own character but that's just how I roll sometimes. Everyone knows who you are now. You could use this momentum to become a steady top heel in the fed if you keep pumping out the good work and try to pick people to work with who will COMPLIMENT your style.
- You have S-PAC. When you're in a stable, you should be constantly turning to each other for ideas and motivation. Otherwise, what's the point? Our Pantheon board is very active because we discuss what's going on with each other's characters and it's definitely helpful to me personally. You have some great people with you in S-PAC, I can voice for Waylon and say that he's a great person to bounce ideas off of. I've never worked with Gable but the dude is a genius factory so he has to be good with ideas. And Chelsea should obviously be able to help you come up with stuff. Lean on S-PAC because that's what they are there for.
I mentioned to you earlier that I didn't win a PPV match for over 6 months last year yet I still maintained a very high profile here, ended up main eventing One (which I lost) and DESPITE ALL THAT I went on to win the World Title again this year. So it's not all about the wins and losses. Wins and losses, title reigns, they have very little to do with how over you character is. The goal isn't to win every match, the goal is to get OVER. And right now, Seifer is right on the edge. If you get together with some people or one person and come up with a good storyline to carry you through the PPV or couple of PPVs, I would have to think Seifer would be one of the top heels, if not THE top heel in the company. You just have to keep the hot streak going and the only way you do that is with storylines.
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Post by Jayson Price on May 26, 2014 16:46:23 GMT -5
Someone that just won the Trilogy Cup is not going to be shoved to the bottom of the card or be forgotten about just because they lost their World Title Match. If you had no showed the PPV, then maybe. But it's not like Seth is thinking in his head "Welp, Seifer blew his chance, time to make him job to Biohazard" because you lost to Orbit. Christ, if everyone that got beat by the World Champion was forced to start all over from the bottom nobody would have stuck around while Fly was holding the belt.
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